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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:49:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:47:21 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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That is not true.
MARYLAND v. WILSON says they can all be rousted and the passenger
compartment of the car searched "for weapons". While that is going
on
they can have a dog search the car too. ILLINOIS v. CABALLES.
At that point the cop will "ask" everyone for ID.
Have you ever said no to a cop on the side of the road?
Usually you end up in cuffs.
You can macho this as much as you like about what you would do but I
bet you haven't actually done any of it.

I've said no to cops on the side of the road before... Question: Have
you
been drinking? Answer: No. Question: Are you single? Answer: Ummm...
lol


The first one is the right answer to a question, the second one can go
either way. We have had cops harassing women here too. It is less
likely they get away with it these days but my nieces have some
stories where it didn't really work out.

The real question is whether you can say no when a cop "asks" you
something like "can I look in your trunk" or "can I see your ID".
A "no" is usually seen as reasonable suspicion that you are doing
something illegal. If you weren't you just have a long day and they
eventually send you on your way. If you are doing ANYTHING wrong, you
get hooked up and taken in.

You can say no, with the caveat that if he looks anyway, he better have
actual probably cause. The "can I see your ID" goes back to asking for
the
DL. Driving is a privilege not a right, so he's within bounds to ask for
it.
If you're walking down the street, there is a higher standard of
probably
cause for asking for ID. That's the problem with the AZ law (well, one
of
the problems).


You ignore the basic problem. It will always be your word against the
cop's that you said no. You will lose that one.
If your word was equal to the cop, there wouldn't be any traffic
tickets. They are all your word against his.

Well sure, but in our system you're innocent until proven guilty. Judges
_tend_ to believe the police over regular citizens, but he would still
have to produce something that caused him to get in your face.. Not that
it's much of an example, but I've seen people win in traffic court
against the testimony of an expert (police) witness.

Spend a lot of time in traffic court, do ya?

--
Harold


Spend a lot a time in the Institute for Morons, do ya?

bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:44:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Jim - "Can I see you license, m'aam. Or perhaps a memorized number?"


You can't remember yours? I can even recite my mastercard number... 5291..
oh wait. lol


actually i know my DL number as well..

Good for you! Now go get a part time job to help pay for the Mexicans.
They have a lot of expenses.

bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:47:04 -0400, Harry
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Flajim can only count to 20, using all his digits. Most guys can count
to 21, but flajim is missing *that* digit.


that's OK. you can count you IQ...to 12...using all the fingers on
both of your hands.

Dumb response and bad form. 0-2

bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:35:26 -0400, wrote:


On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:40:56 -0400, wrote:


\\\\\\\ 20 Jul 2010 06:52:21 -0400, wrote:



The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

he can demand ID. the passengers dont have to show him ****.


That is not true.
MARYLAND v. WILSON says they can all be rousted and the passenger
compartment of the car searched "for weapons". While that is going on
they can have a dog search the car too. ILLINOIS v. CABALLES.
At that point the cop will "ask" everyone for ID.
Have you ever said no to a cop on the side of the road?

yeah. i told a NJSP trooper to go get ****ed after he ****ed me off


10:01PM? You are either a drunk or really dumb...

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:32:00 -0400, Larry wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:35:26 -0400, wrote:


On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:40:56 -0400, wrote:


\\\\\\\ 20 Jul 2010 06:52:21 -0400, wrote:



The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

he can demand ID. the passengers dont have to show him ****.


That is not true.
MARYLAND v. WILSON says they can all be rousted and the passenger
compartment of the car searched "for weapons". While that is going on
they can have a dog search the car too. ILLINOIS v. CABALLES.
At that point the cop will "ask" everyone for ID.
Have you ever said no to a cop on the side of the road?

yeah. i told a NJSP trooper to go get ****ed after he ****ed me off


10:01PM? You are either a drunk or really dumb...

Was that the inclusive or exclusive 'or'?
--

John H

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:30:54 -0400, Larry wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:47:04 -0400, Harry
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Flajim can only count to 20, using all his digits. Most guys can count
to 21, but flajim is missing *that* digit.


that's OK. you can count you IQ...to 12...using all the fingers on
both of your hands.

Dumb response and bad form. 0-2

that's as high as you can count so i'll stop

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:30:04 -0400, Larry wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:44:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Jim - "Can I see you license, m'aam. Or perhaps a memorized number?"


You can't remember yours? I can even recite my mastercard number... 5291..
oh wait. lol


actually i know my DL number as well..

Good for you! Now go get a part time job to help pay for the Mexicans.
They have a lot of expenses.

not as much as wall street. wall street just cost us a trillion
dollars

but to the right wing that's OK. brokers arent black, and they're rich

"Larry" wrote in message
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bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:44:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:




Jim - "Can I see you license, m'aam. Or perhaps a memorized number?"


You can't remember yours? I can even recite my mastercard number...
5291..
oh wait. lol


actually i know my DL number as well..

Good for you! Now go get a part time job to help pay for the Mexicans.
They have a lot of expenses.

And for God's sake don't give family's unemployment benefits so they can
feed their kids! That's un-American.

In article , LarryG@
81gmail.com says...

bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:44:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:




Jim - "Can I see you license, m'aam. Or perhaps a memorized number?"


You can't remember yours? I can even recite my mastercard number... 5291..
oh wait. lol


actually i know my DL number as well..

Good for you! Now go get a part time job to help pay for the Mexicans.
They have a lot of expenses.

I use my DL number all the time without pulling it out. Most places
trust that if you got the number in your head, they really don't need to
see the card. Especially folks like grocery stores and banks that know
you... Yes, the grocery here uses the DL number to id you if you don't
have your courtesy card with you, I never have it so...

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Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:30:46 -0400, I am Tosk
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I use my DL number all the time without pulling it out. Most places
trust that if you got the number in your head, they really don't need to
see the card. Especially folks like grocery stores and banks that know
you... Yes, the grocery here uses the DL number to id you if you don't
have your courtesy card with you, I never have it so...

I don't usually need my driver's license for much more than getting on
an airplane. The bank is happy if I swipe my debit card and punch in
the pin. I am not sure why I would need any ID at the grocery store,
they don't card me for beer anymore.

If you don't know why I would use it in a grocery, you did not really
read my post Try again, that's why I went into that explanation...

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Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!