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"Peter (Yes, that one)" wrote in message
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"W1TEF" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:02:51 -0500, "Peter (Yes, that one)"
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Paid malpractice claims and malpractice litigation costs have been
pegged at about one half of one percent (.5%) of health care costs.

And I'm outa here.

Morons.


Can't argue in a cogent way, leave. Typical.

I am rather shocked by his conduct, but I have seen similar conduct in
my shop when a customer leaves in a huff after 5 or 6 shoe fittings,
none to satisfaction.
It happens when none of our lines will fit the particular customer, who
invariably has an odd foot.
In this case however, there was nothing wrong with what I was selling.
The figures of awards to plaintiffs and litigation costs are all over
the internet, and most independent statistical studies actually peg them
at less than .5%, which is $6.5 billion.
I was being generous, seeing that he may be sensitive to the issue due
to his daughter's outrageous malpractice premiums.
That he should call names is really unwarranted behavior.
Perhaps he is in the insurance business?
One never knows how that can affect one's, shall we say, prejudices.
I'm that way myself about criticism of some shoe lines, which I
personally like, but my customer doesn't like.
I hold my tongue then, as he should have when given stark facts.
Or, as you suggest, argue otherwise in a cogent manner.

Peter


He addressed the problem and you come right back and state the same thing
numdenuts stated. Is exasperating to deal with lazyiness.

I would define "laziness" as thinking that knowing the experience of one
particular doctor in one particular locale gives you all the answers you
need to have a solution to tort reform. It's not that easy.
And I would add "arrogance" as fitting those same parameters.
I occasionally get a customer that tells me her preferred line of shoes
is the best made that money can buy.
Even if I know better, there is no harm in letting her harbor that
belief.
It's a $70 dollar pair of shoes, and she can afford them.
Health care is a bit different.

Peter

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I've heard it said that life is like a new shoe box. You never know what you're
gonna get 'til you try it on. Or bite into it...or something like that.


Funny you should mention that.
I actually have occasional requests to put new shoes in a different box.
Young folks buying a lesser priced sport shoe and asking if I have a
spare Nike box to put them in. Both boys and girls.
I have always been able to accommodate them.
They then carry the box out into the mall - they don't want a bag.
Thankfully, none have asked for a box without purchasing shoes.

Peter

On 17/04/2010 7:19 AM, mmc wrote:

Our problem is that our government and government contracting has become a
huge social program, we make jobs where no one breaks a sweat and get little
in return.
Bingo. Which makes us tax paying producers just slaves for the
government and associated lard.



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On 4/17/10 11:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/04/2010 7:19 AM, mmc wrote:

Our problem is that our government and government contracting has
become a
huge social program, we make jobs where no one breaks a sweat and get
little
in return.
Bingo. Which makes us tax paying producers just slaves for the
government and associated lard.





Tax paying producer? You're unemployed, remember? What the hell do you
produce, other than poop out your exhaust pipe?

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On 17/04/2010 9:38 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/17/10 11:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/04/2010 7:19 AM, mmc wrote:

Our problem is that our government and government contracting has
become a
huge social program, we make jobs where no one breaks a sweat and get
little
in return.
Bingo. Which makes us tax paying producers just slaves for the
government and associated lard.


Tax paying producer? You're unemployed, remember? What the hell do you
produce, other than poop out your exhaust pipe?

Not yet, but planning on retiring in this decade some time, maybe sooner
than later. Depends when I have had enough of working for other people.
Ready to drop off the producer tread mill.

That way our leaders can borrow more.

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The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:30:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I don't mind differing opinions... if they can be supported by facts or
intelligent thought about an opinion. For example, one can argue that the
Afg. war is needed or not needed. But to claim things to be the opposite
of
what is easily checked is just posturing. Even posturing is better than
nothing, which is what the poster is doing by the "I'm outta here"
statement. If he were really serious, he'd cite some facts to back up his
story. Acedotes are interesting, but they don't necessarily speak to the
larger issues.

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You are reporting the tort lawyer's side and he is reporting the
doctor's side.
You are not acknowledging the defense lawyers side and the insurance
company cut. (probably more than one company)
There is a health insurance company with their lawyer and a
malpractice insurance company with their lawyer.
The doctor and the next patient pay 4 lawyers and 2 insurance
companies, all because patient #1 didn't get the result he wanted.


No I'm not. This is the total effective cost to the system. It's a tiny
percentage of the cost of healthcare. Every reason to address. No reason to
become hysterical about it.

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Nom=de=Plume

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:36:38 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"W1TEF" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:01:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Tort reform is a right-wing canard. It's about 3-4% of the problem.

Horsefeathers as my Grandfather used to say in polite company.

I know what it costs my daughters for their insurances and I can tell
you, it's easily 18% of their liability in terms of payout for their
practices to stay in business.

And thats about right on average for most doctors who specialize in
oncology and OB/GYN.

They wish it was 3/4% of their costs.


You can tell us... how's that? You have some proof of this? Doubtful,
since
the proof is that it's as stated... 3 or 4%.

He is telling you what it costs his daughters, presumably doctors. You
can either believe it is say he is lying.
My ex is in the medical biz, currently at the DC Medical Society and
she says something similar. That is hundreds of doctors
.


Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is going to save
the healthcare system.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 17/04/2010 9:38 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/17/10 11:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/04/2010 7:19 AM, mmc wrote:

Our problem is that our government and government contracting has
become a
huge social program, we make jobs where no one breaks a sweat and get
little
in return.
Bingo. Which makes us tax paying producers just slaves for the
government and associated lard.


Tax paying producer? You're unemployed, remember? What the hell do you
produce, other than poop out your exhaust pipe?

Not yet, but planning on retiring in this decade some time, maybe sooner
than later. Depends when I have had enough of working for other people.
Ready to drop off the producer tread mill.

That way our leaders can borrow more.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


Meta message from Canuck: I'm about to be fired.

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Nom=de=Plume

On 17/04/2010 11:30 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 17/04/2010 9:38 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/17/10 11:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/04/2010 7:19 AM, mmc wrote:

Our problem is that our government and government contracting has
become a
huge social program, we make jobs where no one breaks a sweat and get
little
in return.
Bingo. Which makes us tax paying producers just slaves for the
government and associated lard.


Tax paying producer? You're unemployed, remember? What the hell do you
produce, other than poop out your exhaust pipe?

Not yet, but planning on retiring in this decade some time, maybe sooner
than later. Depends when I have had enough of working for other people.
Ready to drop off the producer tread mill.

That way our leaders can borrow more.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


Meta message from Canuck: I'm about to be fired.

Sure more lucrative than quitting. Recent pension contributions vests
sooner too. My attitude is make my day. But unfortunately not going to
happen that way. I pretty much at least have to quit before 54 3/4 as I
don't want my pension locked in where I am at.

Plus I don't have to pay for the liberal increases in taxes a coming.
Added bonus.
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:24:26 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Not really. The government views health care as a money machine.

ROFLMAO!! guess he doesn't know about health insurance companies.



Quite predictable from a out of control greedy government acually.

the moron doesn't realize the US already has ALOT of govt health
care...and it works pretty well.

it's called 'medicare'.

but no one ever said the right let facts stand in their way