On Apr 16, 3:59*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.

Absolutely but it isn't the "cheap beer" now

Sailboat engines, normally called "Auxiliary Engines" are sized to get
the boat to roughly 5 kts in calm water to enable her to get in and
out of port. Sailboats tend to have easily pushed hulls and need much
smaller engines than power boats like Trawlers. They are also
displacement hulls so will never go very fast anyway and the feeling
is that more power is wasted.
So, the 6.5 hp Yanmar 1 cylinder diesel (Model 1GM) did very well and
I even used ti to cruise all over the eastern Gulf of Mexico. One
Memorial day weekend, I motored a distance of 250 miles from near
Naples, FL back to Near St. Marks, FL with no wind at all and only
burned 12 gallons of diesel.
However, getting caught in 2 thunderstorms where that engine seemed
far too small to keep her bow pointed into the wind convinced me I
needed a larger engine so I bought a used Yanmar 2GM (2 cylinder 13
hp) and installed it. This significantly increased my top speed and
power in nasty conditions. She burns about 1/2 gal/hr at 5.5 kts and
maybe .7 gal/hr at 6.5 kts.
Sailboat diesels cost nearly as much as or more than outboards do. I
think you can still buy the Yanmar 1gm new for $2500 but a new 2GM
will cost about $5000, installation will be extra. My used engine was
taken out of a 30' racing boat because the owner wanted to use a tiny
trolling motor to get out of his slip to save weight for light wind.
I got it for $2000 and installed it myself.

On Apr 16, 3:19*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:59*pm, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.

Absolutely but it isn't the "cheap beer" now

Sailboat engines, normally called "Auxiliary Engines" are sized to get
the boat to roughly 5 kts in calm water to enable her to get in and
out of port. *Sailboats tend to have easily pushed hulls and need much
smaller engines than power boats like Trawlers. *They are also
displacement hulls so will never go very fast anyway and the feeling
is that more power is wasted.
So, the 6.5 hp Yanmar 1 cylinder diesel (Model 1GM) did very well and
I even used ti to cruise all over the eastern Gulf of Mexico. *One
Memorial day weekend, I motored a distance of 250 miles from near
Naples, FL back to Near St. Marks, FL with no wind at all and only
burned 12 gallons of diesel.
However, getting caught in 2 thunderstorms where that engine seemed
far too small to keep her bow pointed into the wind convinced me I
needed a larger engine so I bought a used Yanmar 2GM (2 cylinder 13
hp) and installed it. *This significantly increased my top speed and
power in nasty conditions. *She burns about 1/2 gal/hr at 5.5 kts and
maybe .7 gal/hr at 6.5 kts.
Sailboat diesels cost nearly as much as or more than outboards do. *I
think you can still buy the Yanmar 1gm new for $2500 but a new 2GM
will cost about $5000, installation will be extra. *My used engine was
taken out of a 30' racing boat because the owner wanted to use a tiny
trolling motor to get out of his slip to save weight for light wind.
I got it for $2000 and installed it myself.

It
's interesting that you explained that. I've posted about something in
the past,t hat over at lake carlyle, there's some neat sail boats a
couple 35'rs too. And most have no sails. But on weekends you'll see
people loading up on fri. night, and motoring their way out into the
lake, and stay out there till Sunday night. Next weekend, do it again!

Some with kicker engines and some totally inboard, and not moving
fast, but moving steady. I suppose you don't have to sail a sail boat.

On Apr 16, 3:31*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:19*pm, Frogwatch wrote:



On Apr 16, 3:59*pm, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.

Absolutely but it isn't the "cheap beer" now

Sailboat engines, normally called "Auxiliary Engines" are sized to get
the boat to roughly 5 kts in calm water to enable her to get in and
out of port. *Sailboats tend to have easily pushed hulls and need much
smaller engines than power boats like Trawlers. *They are also
displacement hulls so will never go very fast anyway and the feeling
is that more power is wasted.
So, the 6.5 hp Yanmar 1 cylinder diesel (Model 1GM) did very well and
I even used ti to cruise all over the eastern Gulf of Mexico. *One
Memorial day weekend, I motored a distance of 250 miles from near
Naples, FL back to Near St. Marks, FL with no wind at all and only
burned 12 gallons of diesel.
However, getting caught in 2 thunderstorms where that engine seemed
far too small to keep her bow pointed into the wind convinced me I
needed a larger engine so I bought a used Yanmar 2GM (2 cylinder 13
hp) and installed it. *This significantly increased my top speed and
power in nasty conditions. *She burns about 1/2 gal/hr at 5.5 kts and
maybe .7 gal/hr at 6.5 kts.
Sailboat diesels cost nearly as much as or more than outboards do. *I
think you can still buy the Yanmar 1gm new for $2500 but a new 2GM
will cost about $5000, installation will be extra. *My used engine was
taken out of a 30' racing boat because the owner wanted to use a tiny
trolling motor to get out of his slip to save weight for light wind.
I got it for $2000 and installed it myself.

It
's interesting that you explained that. I've posted about something in
the past,t hat over at lake carlyle, there's some neat sail boats *a
couple 35'rs too. And most have no sails. But on weekends you'll see
people loading up on fri. night, and motoring their way out into the
lake, and stay out there till Sunday night. Next weekend, do it again!

*Some with kicker engines and some totally inboard, and not moving
fast, but moving steady. I suppose you don't have to sail a sail boat.

The reality is that most sailing cruising people spend over 50% of
their time motoring. This is why I am now a fan of the Troller/sail
boat where an engine is the primary propulsion and the sails are
secondary. This concept is best shown in the "Diesel Duck" line by
Buller.