On Apr 16, 1:53*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Apr 16, 12:25*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.

On 4/16/10 3:15 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 16, 1:53 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Apr 16, 12:25 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.



Yep, and certainly better than Bud Lite and Miller Lite, although still
just another ****y American brew.

I spent a college summer working on the loading dock of Hulls Export
Beer in New Haven. I guess it was called Export Beer because no one in
New Haven would drink it. No one except us loading dock workers. :)


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On Apr 16, 3:59*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.

Absolutely but it isn't the "cheap beer" now

Sailboat engines, normally called "Auxiliary Engines" are sized to get
the boat to roughly 5 kts in calm water to enable her to get in and
out of port. Sailboats tend to have easily pushed hulls and need much
smaller engines than power boats like Trawlers. They are also
displacement hulls so will never go very fast anyway and the feeling
is that more power is wasted.
So, the 6.5 hp Yanmar 1 cylinder diesel (Model 1GM) did very well and
I even used ti to cruise all over the eastern Gulf of Mexico. One
Memorial day weekend, I motored a distance of 250 miles from near
Naples, FL back to Near St. Marks, FL with no wind at all and only
burned 12 gallons of diesel.
However, getting caught in 2 thunderstorms where that engine seemed
far too small to keep her bow pointed into the wind convinced me I
needed a larger engine so I bought a used Yanmar 2GM (2 cylinder 13
hp) and installed it. This significantly increased my top speed and
power in nasty conditions. She burns about 1/2 gal/hr at 5.5 kts and
maybe .7 gal/hr at 6.5 kts.
Sailboat diesels cost nearly as much as or more than outboards do. I
think you can still buy the Yanmar 1gm new for $2500 but a new 2GM
will cost about $5000, installation will be extra. My used engine was
taken out of a 30' racing boat because the owner wanted to use a tiny
trolling motor to get out of his slip to save weight for light wind.
I got it for $2000 and installed it myself.

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:

When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.


Jim is a troll and a rude jerk. I just ignore him.

However, those wishing to contribute to our ability to afford a "yacht"
should feel free to send the money.

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. She had hated
it. He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.


I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it.
There must be a few.

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock, we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two
are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.

I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that.
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much more
likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would likely
be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.

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How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?

On Apr 16, 11:13*am, "Don White" wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. *They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. *She had hated
it. *He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. *For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. *What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? *That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? *A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.

I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it.
There must be a few.

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock, we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two
are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.

I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that..
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much more
likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would likely
be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.

--
Nom=de=Plume

How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?

Even if you love sailing, the harsh reality is that you'll get more
use from a power boat. Unless you are cruising full time, the cost of
fuel is small in relation to the cost of your "lost" hours in moving
the boat to a new cruising place.
Once I realized this, I took the old 6.5 hp diesel out of my boat that
only pushed her at 4.5 kts and replaced it with a 13 hp one that
pushed her at over 6.3 kts. It doesn't sound like a big diff but it
makes a huge difference in getting places.

On Apr 16, 10:31*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 16, 11:13*am, "Don White" wrote:





"nom=de=plume" wrote in message

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. *They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. *She had hated
it. *He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. *For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. *What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? *That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? *A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.

I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it..
There must be a few.

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock, we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two
are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.

I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that.
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much more
likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would likely
be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.

--
Nom=de=Plume

How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?

Even if you love sailing, the harsh reality is that you'll get more
use from a power boat. *Unless you are cruising full time, the cost of
fuel is small in relation to the cost of your "lost" hours in moving
the boat to a new cruising place.
Once I realized this, I took the old 6.5 hp diesel out of my boat that
only pushed her at 4.5 kts and replaced it with a 13 hp one that
pushed her at over 6.3 kts. *It doesn't sound like a big diff but it
makes a huge difference in getting places.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

6.5 hp diesel? What make?

kubota? Yannmar? Lombardini? I'm surprised that 6.5 could push
anything of that size. other than a small riding mower.

Tim wrote:
On Apr 16, 10:31 am, wrote:

On Apr 16, 11:13 am, "Don wrote:






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I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. She had hated
it. He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.


I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it..
There must be a few.


I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock, we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two
are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.


I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that.
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much more
likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would likely
be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.


--
Nom=de=Plume


How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?

Even if you love sailing, the harsh reality is that you'll get more
use from a power boat. Unless you are cruising full time, the cost of
fuel is small in relation to the cost of your "lost" hours in moving
the boat to a new cruising place.
Once I realized this, I took the old 6.5 hp diesel out of my boat that
only pushed her at 4.5 kts and replaced it with a 13 hp one that
pushed her at over 6.3 kts. It doesn't sound like a big diff but it
makes a huge difference in getting places.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

6.5 hp diesel? What make?

kubota? Yannmar? Lombardini? I'm surprised that 6.5 could push
anything of that size. other than a small riding mower.

They have a lot of torque and a rather large prop.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:01:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

6.5 hp diesel? What make?

kubota? Yannmar? Lombardini? I'm surprised that 6.5 could push
anything of that size. other than a small riding mower.

You'd be surprised. Sailboat hulls, especially a racing sailboat that
is well maintained, have very slippery hulls. In flat water, no wind
and no current it takes almost nothing to get tthem moving. I was
once out cruising and racing on a 40 footer that lost its prop. We
lashed a dinghy along side like a tugboat and used its little 2 hp
Evinrude to bring the big boat into the dock.

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 11:13 am, "Don White" wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. She had hated
it. He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.

I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it.
There must be a few.

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock,
we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of
us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two
are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.

I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that.
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much
more
likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would
likely
be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.

--
Nom=de=Plume

How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?

Even if you love sailing, the harsh reality is that you'll get more
use from a power boat. Unless you are cruising full time, the cost of
fuel is small in relation to the cost of your "lost" hours in moving
the boat to a new cruising place.

Sorry... not interested in powerboats for cruising around. Wakeboarding
maybe...

Once I realized this, I took the old 6.5 hp diesel out of my boat that
only pushed her at 4.5 kts and replaced it with a 13 hp one that
pushed her at over 6.3 kts. It doesn't sound like a big diff but it
makes a huge difference in getting places.

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.

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