On Apr 20, 2:31*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:46:58 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Seems like unless you're close to shore, you really don't need a lot of
engine power. Maybe in a storm, but wouldn't the concern be running the
engine without intake water or running out of fuel if you run it too long?
I'm mean that's why it's a sailboat... to sail.

There are two times when you need power on a sailboat: Bad weather and
good weather. *

Most cruising sailboats spend more than 90% of their time underway
with the engine running. *Either the wind is from the wrong direction,
too weak or too strong.

Not counting the fact of needing the engine to supply electrical power
to modern refrigeration (if used) and navionics. (Is that a word?)

On Apr 19, 9:23*pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 18, 12:45 am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:15:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:18:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The smell of diesel, the most masculine cologne.

NOT blech.

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You may be too young to remember the 70s when guys would spritz a
little gasoline behind their ear in hopes a girl would think you
worked in a gas station.

Good grief... did any of them live?

Gee whiz ... nothing? not even a mercy LOL?
You must be too young to remember gas lines. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

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I remember them. Wait in lne for a hour so you could get $5.00 of gas
and that was the limit. And if you were lucky you could get gas before
the station ran out. It was rationed to them too!

I am sure Plume would be flirting with the gas station guy to try to
get an extra few gallons.
I do remember parking in the gas station in the middle of the night so
I would be there when they opened. I also had a odd/even permit so I
could get gas on either day.

I owned a company with delivery trucks and we were exempt. *Commercial
plates were exempt from the odd even. *Was nice my pickup was exempt and
there was a station near my house that was sort of out of the way and wife
could normally fill up without a wait. *The delivery trucks fueled at a
Cardlock station, so we could fill the family vehicles also 24/7. *Biggest
problem was we had to get the drivers to put in a little more than they need
for the route, as we had lots of people deciding to climb the fence and
siphon gas. *And steal batteries. *Later we went to diesel delivery trucks,
which would have cut down on the theft.- Hide quoted text -

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Now they'll also steal the catalytic converters!

On Apr 20, 8:10*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 19, 9:23*pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:





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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 18, 12:45 am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:15:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:18:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The smell of diesel, the most masculine cologne.

NOT blech.

--
You may be too young to remember the 70s when guys would spritz a
little gasoline behind their ear in hopes a girl would think you
worked in a gas station.

Good grief... did any of them live?

Gee whiz ... nothing? not even a mercy LOL?
You must be too young to remember gas lines. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I remember them. Wait in lne for a hour so you could get $5.00 of gas
and that was the limit. And if you were lucky you could get gas before
the station ran out. It was rationed to them too!

I am sure Plume would be flirting with the gas station guy to try to
get an extra few gallons.
I do remember parking in the gas station in the middle of the night so
I would be there when they opened. I also had a odd/even permit so I
could get gas on either day.

I owned a company with delivery trucks and we were exempt. *Commercial
plates were exempt from the odd even. *Was nice my pickup was exempt and
there was a station near my house that was sort of out of the way and wife
could normally fill up without a wait. *The delivery trucks fueled at a
Cardlock station, so we could fill the family vehicles also 24/7. *Biggest
problem was we had to get the drivers to put in a little more than they need
for the route, as we had lots of people deciding to climb the fence and
siphon gas. *And steal batteries. *Later we went to diesel delivery trucks,
which would have cut down on the theft.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now they'll also steal the catalytic converters!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And aluminum rims. There's "easy-off" lug wrenches that will screw
themselves onto the locking lug from the outside and back it right
off.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:46:58 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Seems like unless you're close to shore, you really don't need a lot of
engine power. Maybe in a storm, but wouldn't the concern be running the
engine without intake water or running out of fuel if you run it too long?
I'm mean that's why it's a sailboat... to sail.

There are two times when you need power on a sailboat: Bad weather and
good weather.

Most cruising sailboats spend more than 90% of their time underway
with the engine running. Either the wind is from the wrong direction,
too weak or too strong.


I thought most sailboats spend more than 90% of their time sitting in a
berth or anchored.

Why would you need to run the engine offshore when there's lots of wind?
Seems like it wouldn't help that much. I can understand needing to get away
from a shoreline, but in the middle of an ocean? If it's really that bad,
wouldn't you want to try and slow the boat? I saw parachutes for this at the
boat show.

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Nom=de=Plume

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 20, 2:31 am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:46:58 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Seems like unless you're close to shore, you really don't need a lot of
engine power. Maybe in a storm, but wouldn't the concern be running the
engine without intake water or running out of fuel if you run it too
long?
I'm mean that's why it's a sailboat... to sail.

There are two times when you need power on a sailboat: Bad weather and
good weather.

Most cruising sailboats spend more than 90% of their time underway
with the engine running. Either the wind is from the wrong direction,
too weak or too strong.

Not counting the fact of needing the engine to supply electrical power
to modern refrigeration (if used) and navionics. (Is that a word?)


I don't think this requires a powerful engine... seems like it shouldn't.
Don't people use generators that are separate from the main engine?

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Apr 19, 9:23 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
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No cats on these trucks. F550 class trucks.



On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 18, 12:45 am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:15:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:18:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The smell of diesel, the most masculine cologne.

NOT blech.

--
You may be too young to remember the 70s when guys would spritz a
little gasoline behind their ear in hopes a girl would think you
worked in a gas station.

Good grief... did any of them live?

Gee whiz ... nothing? not even a mercy LOL?
You must be too young to remember gas lines. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I remember them. Wait in lne for a hour so you could get $5.00 of gas
and that was the limit. And if you were lucky you could get gas before
the station ran out. It was rationed to them too!

I am sure Plume would be flirting with the gas station guy to try to
get an extra few gallons.
I do remember parking in the gas station in the middle of the night so
I would be there when they opened. I also had a odd/even permit so I
could get gas on either day.

I owned a company with delivery trucks and we were exempt. Commercial
plates were exempt from the odd even. Was nice my pickup was exempt and
there was a station near my house that was sort of out of the way and wife
could normally fill up without a wait. The delivery trucks fueled at a
Cardlock station, so we could fill the family vehicles also 24/7. Biggest
problem was we had to get the drivers to put in a little more than they
need
for the route, as we had lots of people deciding to climb the fence and
siphon gas. And steal batteries. Later we went to diesel delivery trucks,
which would have cut down on the theft.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now they'll also steal the catalytic converters!

On Apr 20, 12:46*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 20, 2:31 am, Wayne.B wrote:





On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:46:58 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Seems like unless you're close to shore, you really don't need a lot of
engine power. Maybe in a storm, but wouldn't the concern be running the
engine without intake water or running out of fuel if you run it too
long?
I'm mean that's why it's a sailboat... to sail.

There are two times when you need power on a sailboat: Bad weather and
good weather.

Most cruising sailboats spend more than 90% of their time underway
with the engine running. Either the wind is from the wrong direction,
too weak or too strong.
Not counting the fact of needing the engine to supply electrical power
to modern refrigeration (if used) *and navionics. (Is that a word?)

I don't think this requires a powerful engine... seems like it shouldn't.
Don't people use generators that are separate from the main engine?

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Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

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Some and probably most do, however like Wayne B has his trawler
outfitted, he uses a high amperage alternator which is powered by his
main engine[s] cabled to a considerable stack of batteries that in
turn power an inverter that converts 12 volt DC current into 120 volt
AC to power his electronics and refrigeration. He says it more cost
effective than running a generator.

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 20, 12:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 20, 2:31 am, Wayne.B wrote:





On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:46:58 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Seems like unless you're close to shore, you really don't need a lot of
engine power. Maybe in a storm, but wouldn't the concern be running the
engine without intake water or running out of fuel if you run it too
long?
I'm mean that's why it's a sailboat... to sail.

There are two times when you need power on a sailboat: Bad weather and
good weather.

Most cruising sailboats spend more than 90% of their time underway
with the engine running. Either the wind is from the wrong direction,
too weak or too strong.
Not counting the fact of needing the engine to supply electrical power
to modern refrigeration (if used) and navionics. (Is that a word?)

I don't think this requires a powerful engine... seems like it shouldn't.
Don't people use generators that are separate from the main engine?

--
Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Some and probably most do, however like Wayne B has his trawler
outfitted, he uses a high amperage alternator which is powered by his
main engine[s] cabled to a considerable stack of batteries that in
turn power an inverter that converts 12 volt DC current into 120 volt
AC to power his electronics and refrigeration. He says it more cost
effective than running a generator.

Interesting. I've heard about high voltage electric engines for sailboats,
but I have a feeling that might be wildly expensive as a retrofit.



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Nom=de=Plume

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:45:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If it's really that bad,
wouldn't you want to try and slow the boat? I saw parachutes for this at
the
boat show.

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I imagine you saw a sea anchor. That is like a parachute but it goes
in the water and keeps your bow pointing into the wind when you are
drifting.
If you have "too much wind" I believe the trick is to take down all
but the minimum amount of canvas to point the boat but I am a stink
pot guy. I only know what I read.


I think so... it was call paratech or something like that. Then, there was a
drogue that hangs off the back. So, I guess you can either point into the
wind or slow down going down wind.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Apr 20, 1:23*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:45:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
If it's really that bad,
wouldn't you want to try and slow the boat? I saw parachutes for this at the
boat show.

--

I imagine you saw a sea anchor. That is like a parachute but it goes
in the water and keeps your bow pointing into the wind when you are
drifting.
If you have "too much wind" I believe the trick is to take down all
but the minimum amount of canvas to point the boat but I am a stink
pot guy. I only know what I read.

Interesting that you would mention a sea anchor Greg. The first I'd
heard of one was on "Master Commander: The far side of the world"
Where in a hard gale the british were chasing the french and were
pushing for more speed. A kid was up on top of a mast and it broke and
went into the drink. The mast and sail were draging the ship and in an
awkward side position with the waves, and a mate told the captain that
the broken mast was acting like a 'sea anchor' dragging the ship into
a list,and was jeprodising the safety of the ship and crew. They had
no other recourse than to cut the lines to the broken mast and leave
the poor lad to his untimely demise.

Sad, but that was the way it went.