"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 11:13 am, "Don White" wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message

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I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. She had hated
it. He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.

I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it.
There must be a few.

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock,
we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of
us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two
are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.

I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that.
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much
more
likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would
likely
be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.

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Nom=de=Plume

How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?

Even if you love sailing, the harsh reality is that you'll get more
use from a power boat. Unless you are cruising full time, the cost of
fuel is small in relation to the cost of your "lost" hours in moving
the boat to a new cruising place.

Sorry... not interested in powerboats for cruising around. Wakeboarding
maybe...

Once I realized this, I took the old 6.5 hp diesel out of my boat that
only pushed her at 4.5 kts and replaced it with a 13 hp one that
pushed her at over 6.3 kts. It doesn't sound like a big diff but it
makes a huge difference in getting places.

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.

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Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.


You have a _lot_ of homework ahead of you.

On Apr 16, 6:59*pm, Larry wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.

You have a _lot_ of homework ahead of you.

Getting the right prop is a major deal. Major controversy over fixed
2 blade fixed or 3 blade fixed because the 3 blade fixed hurts sailing
performance about 1/2 kt but the 3 blade gives better motoring
performance. There is a company that makes an oversize plastic
composite prop called PerfectPitch that makes up for this but they are
sorta unknown.
Then, there are the folding props..................

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 6:59 pm, Larry wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent
engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.

You have a _lot_ of homework ahead of you.

Getting the right prop is a major deal. Major controversy over fixed
2 blade fixed or 3 blade fixed because the 3 blade fixed hurts sailing
performance about 1/2 kt but the 3 blade gives better motoring
performance. There is a company that makes an oversize plastic
composite prop called PerfectPitch that makes up for this but they are
sorta unknown.
Then, there are the folding props..................


Larry is a jerk. In any case, I ask again... wouldn't a newer boat in the
size I mentioned from a reputable US manufacturer be powered properly?

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Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Apr 16, 6:59 pm, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:


But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent
engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.

You have a _lot_ of homework ahead of you.


Getting the right prop is a major deal. Major controversy over fixed
2 blade fixed or 3 blade fixed because the 3 blade fixed hurts sailing
performance about 1/2 kt but the 3 blade gives better motoring
performance. There is a company that makes an oversize plastic
composite prop called PerfectPitch that makes up for this but they are
sorta unknown.
Then, there are the folding props..................


Larry is a jerk. In any case, I ask again... wouldn't a newer boat in the
size I mentioned from a reputable US manufacturer be powered properly?


I'm not a jerk. You are throwing around all of this information and
misinformation and you even have a budget attached to it. You are also
asking questions that are rather basic.

First it was a $2K Hobie and now it's a $300K sailing cruiser.

Yes, you have a lot of homework to do. That is a very fair statement.

On 17/04/2010 6:06 PM, Larry wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 6:59 pm, wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent
engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.
You have a _lot_ of homework ahead of you.
Getting the right prop is a major deal. Major controversy over fixed
2 blade fixed or 3 blade fixed because the 3 blade fixed hurts sailing
performance about 1/2 kt but the 3 blade gives better motoring
performance. There is a company that makes an oversize plastic
composite prop called PerfectPitch that makes up for this but they are
sorta unknown.
Then, there are the folding props..................

Larry is a jerk. In any case, I ask again... wouldn't a newer boat in the
size I mentioned from a reputable US manufacturer be powered properly?

I'm not a jerk. You are throwing around all of this information and
misinformation and you even have a budget attached to it. You are also
asking questions that are rather basic.

First it was a $2K Hobie and now it's a $300K sailing cruiser.

Yes, you have a lot of homework to do. That is a very fair statement.

Forgive de-fumer, she hasn't had it in awhile.

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Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the
government?

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 17/04/2010 6:06 PM, Larry wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 6:59 pm, wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent
engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.
You have a _lot_ of homework ahead of you.
Getting the right prop is a major deal. Major controversy over fixed
2 blade fixed or 3 blade fixed because the 3 blade fixed hurts sailing
performance about 1/2 kt but the 3 blade gives better motoring
performance. There is a company that makes an oversize plastic
composite prop called PerfectPitch that makes up for this but they are
sorta unknown.
Then, there are the folding props..................

Larry is a jerk. In any case, I ask again... wouldn't a newer boat in
the
size I mentioned from a reputable US manufacturer be powered properly?

I'm not a jerk. You are throwing around all of this information and
misinformation and you even have a budget attached to it. You are also
asking questions that are rather basic.

First it was a $2K Hobie and now it's a $300K sailing cruiser.

Yes, you have a lot of homework to do. That is a very fair statement.

Forgive de-fumer, she hasn't had it in awhile.

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Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the
government?


This from the pea brain who can't hold a job and who can't get into the US
for love or money.

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Nom=de=Plume

"Larry" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Apr 16, 6:59 pm, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:


But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent
engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.

You have a _lot_ of homework ahead of you.


Getting the right prop is a major deal. Major controversy over fixed
2 blade fixed or 3 blade fixed because the 3 blade fixed hurts sailing
performance about 1/2 kt but the 3 blade gives better motoring
performance. There is a company that makes an oversize plastic
composite prop called PerfectPitch that makes up for this but they are
sorta unknown.
Then, there are the folding props..................


Larry is a jerk. In any case, I ask again... wouldn't a newer boat in the
size I mentioned from a reputable US manufacturer be powered properly?


I'm not a jerk. You are throwing around all of this information and
misinformation and you even have a budget attached to it. You are also
asking questions that are rather basic.

First it was a $2K Hobie and now it's a $300K sailing cruiser.

Yes, you have a lot of homework to do. That is a very fair statement.


Yes, you're a jerk and you don't know how to read. I defined a budget in my
first post on the subject of boat buying. Go read for yourself.

If you don't like basic questions (or more likely you're unable to answer
them), then kindly shut up and let other people answer them instead of
pushing your face into the discussion.

First, I owned a $2K Hobie a long time ago. More recently, I was considering
a Walker Bay for up here. I live 200 MILES from SF. I have relatives who
want to sail UP HERE. I'm also considering going in on a boat with my
friend, etc.

Yes, you're a jerk. That's is a very fair statement.

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Nom=de=Plume

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:01:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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.. wouldn't a newer boat in the
size I mentioned from a reputable US manufacturer be powered properly?

This is what Froggy is saying "properly" depends on which side of the
compromise you want to come down on. You can have a fast power boat
with sails or a fast sailboat with a motor but both at the same time
is hard to do.


My understanding is that the engine on a cruising type boat would be able to
bring the boat to "hull" speed. You can't really go faster than that, so I
suppose the appropriate engine would be one that could do that (or nearly
so)? 1.34 x sq. rt of water line? So, assuming there's overhang on a 42'
boat, say the water line is 40' the max speed would be about 8.5. Of course,
if it were not pushing all the water, skimming, then you could go faster.

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Nom=de=Plume

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:01:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

.. wouldn't a newer boat in the
size I mentioned from a reputable US manufacturer be powered properly?

This is what Froggy is saying "properly" depends on which side of the
compromise you want to come down on. You can have a fast power boat
with sails or a fast sailboat with a motor but both at the same time
is hard to do.


My understanding is that the engine on a cruising type boat would be able to
bring the boat to "hull" speed. You can't really go faster than that, so I
suppose the appropriate engine would be one that could do that (or nearly
so)? 1.34 x sq. rt of water line? So, assuming there's overhang on a 42'
boat, say the water line is 40' the max speed would be about 8.5. Of course,
if it were not pushing all the water, skimming, then you could go faster.

They call "skimming" "planing" here.
And you are correct. But many hull types are incapable of planing.

Peter