On 3/23/10 8:41 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:16:54 -0400, wrote:

Where is all of the extra medical capacity going to come from to deal
with 31 million new patients?
Supply and demand says the cost of providing care will go up.

And quality and availability will go down. It has to, supply is
relatively inelastic.


Here we have a couple of "haves" hoping to maintain their medical
distance from the "have nots."

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:16:54 -0400, wrote:

Where is all of the extra medical capacity going to come from to deal
with 31 million new patients?
Supply and demand says the cost of providing care will go up.

And quality and availability will go down. It has to, supply is
relatively inelastic.


Not at all. Doctors and hospitals being in demand, will increase supply. Why
don't you create a death panel...

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Nom=de=Plume

On Mar 23, 8:16*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:20:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"





wrote:
For the righties... which of these things do you not like?

Provisions of the health care overhaul that will take place in 2010:

90 days after enactment - Provide immediate access to high-risk pools for
people with no insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying people coverage when
they get sick.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying coverage to children
with pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from imposing lifetime caps on
coverage.
180 days after enactment - Require insurers to allow people to stay on their
parents' policies until they turn 26.
this year - Provide a $250 rebade to Medicare prescription drug
beneficiaries whose initial benefits have run out.

Nobody has said, or even said they will limit, what the insurance
companies can charge for all of these new liabilities. The real
showdown will come when our insurance options and prices show up this
fall. The CEO of Caterpillar is estimating this will cost his company
$100 million in additional health care insurance costs. That will get
passed on to the employees, one way or another..

Where is all of the extra medical capacity going to come from to deal
with 31 million new patients?
Supply and demand says the cost of providing care will go up.

From a blog:

Is this bill as bad as it sounds?
No. The Bill That Nobody Read is far worse than you likely know. No
time here to run through it point by point. Plenty of stuff on the
JawkTawk site and all over the net. Only pinheads and loons don't
think this is about controlling your life and taking more money away
from productive society to buy votes for permanent far-left power. In
a way, here is all you need to know:
•Funding* is provided to shift how many people, including illegal
aliens, from "free" walk-in ER care to taxpayer-funded insurance
policies? 32,000,000
•Funding is provided to support and train how many new health care
professionals? 0
•Funding is provided to build how many new hospitals or medical
facilities of any kind? 0
•Funding is provided to hire how many new IRS agents for STASI-like
enforcement of this law? 17,000
•Funding is provided to establish how many new Federal bureaucracies
to regulate your medical care and insurance? 159**
* "Funding" of course has a whole new definition, since — before
HealthScare — the U.S. government now borrows 44¢ of every $1 it
spends.
** Also, many existing agencies will be expanded, such as the IRS,
which is the "primary agency" for enforcing HealthScare.

Only certified moonbats (and there are plenty who subscribe to
JawkTawk) have ever looked at this as having anything whatsoever to do
with either "health" or "cost containment." This is, was, and always
shall be about institutionalizing a culture of dependency to ensure
the power of the left. Nationalizing health care has always been the
Holy Grail, and now it is law.


Is anyone exempted from from this socialized health care scheme?
Yes: the people who wrote the law , Barry Soetoro, Congress, and
unions. The latter's "Cadillac plans" were to be taxed at a far higher
rate, but that was one of hundreds of payoffs fixed in the planned
"reconciliation" bill.

Will the Republicans stop the reconciliation bill, which is the only
reason that HealthScare passed?
No. Anything you hear to the contrary is just spin. Corruption ruled
the day and delivered the vote. The radicals won, America lost. End of
story.

Okay, but now I'm hearing enormous noise about repeal. We can repeal
this, right?
No. This law will never be repealed. Parts of it may be thrown out by
future Congresses, but no "middle-class entitlement" has ever been
reversed. Not here, not anywhere. We used to be the New World. Now we
are the New Europe.

Elections matter, and America dozed off at the wheel in November 2008.
Almost nothing Barry Soetoro said then or has ever said since is true.
He lies serially, effortlessly, pathologically. But he is doing
exactly what any thinking person knew he would do. Some of it was in
his dimestore novels, and even more of it was in the books that shaped
his thinking (e.g. Rules For Radicals). Most of the facts were there
for all to see before gullibility and Bush fatigue and "white guilt"
put this avowed socialist in the White House. As his racist, anti-
American "pastor" said back then, "America's chickens have come home
to roost."

Groups like Tea Party Nation are pushing now for state-level recalls
of U.S. House members who voted for this. What about that?
This is JawkTawk, not Comedy Central.

What about term limits?
We have term limits. They're called "elections," and they are rarely
exercised to replace the entrenched corruption.

As of today, Attorneys General of 12 states have vowed to file
lawsuits to challenge the constitutionality of forcing their citizens
to buy insurance. What about that?
This is the best shot at "civil disobedience," if you will. If only
one or two states, never mind a dozen or more, were to ultimately take
this stand, even if failing in the judicial system, what could the
Federal government do to enforce this mandate? This is also the kind
of provision that could potentially be struck by a future Congress. It
would be entertaining then to see the insurance companies sue over the
key bribe that kept them off the battlefield. By then, they'll be
quasi public utilities anyway, so they may be dealing with their own
shareholder class actions. If this mandate were ever defeated at the
Supreme Court level, the whole mess of a law would be in jeopardy.

Budget-busting Medicaid administrative costs is another sure bet for
immediate state pushback. In the same way that the Democrats renamed
"nuclear option" for when they used it ("reconciliation"), they will
have to find a new marketing term for "unfunded mandate."

Watch also for lawsuits to expose the particulars of all the many
taxpayer-funded backroom bribes.

Now the liberals have momentum. Are cap-and-tax and amnesty next?
No chance for these other shoes to drop before the next election
cycle. The Democrats have used up every ounce of "political capital,"
defying the wishes of 75% of America. With control of the White House
and supermajorities in the House and Senate, it still took them over a
year and hundreds of billions in bribes to pass HealthScare. They will
now make noise about these other loopy ideas, but will get nowhere.

People are furious. In November, Republicans will take back the House
and Senate, yes?
That's a real long shot, very doubtful. Seven months is an eternity in
politics. People have short memories, especially since nothing will
change in health care over that time span. The economy is likely to
improve somewhat over that time — despite Washington, not because of
it. It will be a jobless recovery, so the economy will be the
overarching issue in November, not health care. And if Barry drops
bunker-busters on Iran's nuke sites next fall, then all bets are off.
And don't think Rahmbo and AxelRose aren't already cooking up an
October Surprise. Expect the unexpected.

Nevertheless, big gains in the House and Senate are a reasonable
guess, and that will have a strong effect on slowing down and impeding
the radical agenda.

How will any of this be paid for?
Debt, taxes, and the printing press (inflation). The CBO "estimates"
are fantasies of the highest order. Meanwhile, by any GAAP-based
principle, the country is technically bankrupt already. Don't take our
word for it, look right here . The key number is UNFUNDED LIABILITIES.
This number is $108 trillion. The entire Gross Domestic Product of the
U.S. is $14.5 trillion. Now the Soetoro administration is spending
trillions more in money that does not exist. Eight percent (8%) of the
Soetoro administration has ever worked in the private sector. Rebels
without a clue.

Jeepers! Somebody, pass the Zoloft! Do you have any good news?
Of course. Vincent and Jules are gearing up for November 2nd.