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But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is failing
in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the nation.


I think one of the biggest problems this country has is our political
leaders' tendency to "fix" a problem by simply passing a law. It's lunacy.
Makes the political blow-hards sound like they are on top of the issues, but
the endless barrage of new laws they author and pass are worthless if they
are unenforceable or the will to enforce them is lacking.

Eisboch


Absolutely. That seems to be one of the biggest differences between this country
and Germany, for example. In Germany the laws are enforced.

One law that used to catch a lot of soldiers is that forbidding drinking while
driving. Many times a soldier would be drinking on his way home, and a German
would see him get out of his car with a beer in his hand. The German would then
call the local Polizei who would knock on the soldier's door and give
breathalize him. Then they'd haul his butt downtown.

You don't see the aggressive driving in Germany that you do here, because over
there a citizen can make a report to the cops. A cop isn't required to witness
the behavior.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking,
which is why conservatives can see in black and white.

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But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is failing
in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the nation.


I think one of the biggest problems this country has is our political
leaders' tendency to "fix" a problem by simply passing a law. It's
lunacy.
Makes the political blow-hards sound like they are on top of the issues,
but
the endless barrage of new laws they author and pass are worthless if they
are unenforceable or the will to enforce them is lacking.

Eisboch


Absolutely. That seems to be one of the biggest differences between this
country
and Germany, for example. In Germany the laws are enforced.

One law that used to catch a lot of soldiers is that forbidding drinking
while
driving. Many times a soldier would be drinking on his way home, and a
German
would see him get out of his car with a beer in his hand. The German would
then
call the local Polizei who would knock on the soldier's door and give
breathalize him. Then they'd haul his butt downtown.

You don't see the aggressive driving in Germany that you do here, because
over
there a citizen can make a report to the cops. A cop isn't required to
witness
the behavior.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking,
which is why conservatives can see in black and white.


Yeah, Germany has set the standard for human rights and civil liberties. Oh
wait, there was that pesky guy with the funny mustache...

Issue at hand, titled,
"Does this post make any intellectual sense, or is the poster simply
jaw-flapping?"
The finding is "Jaw-flapping." The finding is binding.
A warning here about frivolous cases.
The Arbiter's schedule does not allow entertaining too many frivolous
cases, such as this one, so don't assume all cases will be considered.
Recess.

The Arbiter

There you go regurgitating crap again.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking,
which is why conservatives can see in black and white.

John H wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:02:40 -0600, Arbiter wrote:

In article ,
says...
"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 01:30:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is failing
in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the nation.

I think one of the biggest problems this country has is our political
leaders' tendency to "fix" a problem by simply passing a law. It's
lunacy.
Makes the political blow-hards sound like they are on top of the issues,
but
the endless barrage of new laws they author and pass are worthless if they
are unenforceable or the will to enforce them is lacking.

Eisboch

Absolutely. That seems to be one of the biggest differences between this
country
and Germany, for example. In Germany the laws are enforced.

One law that used to catch a lot of soldiers is that forbidding drinking
while
driving. Many times a soldier would be drinking on his way home, and a
German
would see him get out of his car with a beer in his hand. The German would
then
call the local Polizei who would knock on the soldier's door and give
breathalize him. Then they'd haul his butt downtown.

You don't see the aggressive driving in Germany that you do here, because
over
there a citizen can make a report to the cops. A cop isn't required to
witness
the behavior.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking,
which is why conservatives can see in black and white.

Yeah, Germany has set the standard for human rights and civil liberties. Oh
wait, there was that pesky guy with the funny mustache...
Issue at hand, titled,
"Does this post make any intellectual sense, or is the poster simply
jaw-flapping?"
The finding is "Jaw-flapping." The finding is binding.
A warning here about frivolous cases.
The Arbiter's schedule does not allow entertaining too many frivolous
cases, such as this one, so don't assume all cases will be considered.
Recess.

The Arbiter

There you go regurgitating crap again.

Probably a lib. Can you believe how this joker repeated that deplum crap?

Lib - Clipping nonsense from a post is a few jumps above their pay grade.

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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have many
believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a non-partisan but
your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my "stripes" are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant of
facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need to
respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't give a
**** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't respond well
to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who have no
tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to have
joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who would likely
be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a Hispanic,
it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy, freeloader,
scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic population
being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or do you
find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly hispanic.
How many more hispanics that are legal are incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people who care
about family and community." I made no comment about a quantity,
except with the use of mostly, and that's been my experience. Did
you take a poll or are you just upset that they're here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I have legal
friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in law. I speak enough
Spanish to hold a conversation in a Spanish speaking country with a
non English speaker. We could end the illegal problem by the end of
the week. Pass another Bracero Bill. Work permits. We allow
100,00's of thousands of educated workers in to keep down the wages
in the professional disciplines using the H-1 visa program. I worked
along side Bracero's as a teenager. No problem with them. But we
have caused the major problem with illegal immigrants by awarding
them benefits, and then amnesty. Pays to break the law and come here
without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of laws on
the books already. It's a matter of money for enforcement. And, it's
not economically or logistically possible to deport 12 million people
all at a time. The current budget calls for an increase in funding for
enforcement, mostly auditing companies that are likely to hire
illegals. That is progressing, but too slowly. There are also
technical mechanisms (e.g., actually being able to cross-ref social
security numbers with birth dates, etc.) that would help find those
who use forged documents. We need to have better border security, not
so much for the Mexican/South of the Border groups, as for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the border.
That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong with spotters,
but they need to be able to call law enforcement to take action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals, it's a
big deal. What were the previous administrations doing? Nothing. At
least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson Farms,
who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program of
enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
Nom=de=Plume
\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

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But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.


I think one of the biggest problems this country has is our political
leaders' tendency to "fix" a problem by simply passing a law. It's
lunacy. Makes the political blow-hards sound like they are on top of
the issues, but the endless barrage of new laws they author and pass
are worthless if they are unenforceable or the will to enforce them is
lacking.

Eisboch

As I said, we have plenty of law on the subject. It's enforcement, and
that has to be funded for it to be effective. This was true during lead
up to the Madoff situation also.
--
Nom=de=Plume


Funding is not the problem. "Will" is the lacking item.



You're wrong. The enforcement effort has been hamstrung by lack of funds.
Look it up.

--
Nom=de=Plume


We are overspending. Funding was not a problem. Will to fix the problem is
the problem.

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But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.


I think one of the biggest problems this country has is our political
leaders' tendency to "fix" a problem by simply passing a law. It's
lunacy. Makes the political blow-hards sound like they are on top of
the issues, but the endless barrage of new laws they author and pass
are worthless if they are unenforceable or the will to enforce them is
lacking.

Eisboch

As I said, we have plenty of law on the subject. It's enforcement, and
that has to be funded for it to be effective. This was true during lead
up to the Madoff situation also.
--
Nom=de=Plume


Funding is not the problem. "Will" is the lacking item.



You're wrong. The enforcement effort has been hamstrung by lack of funds.
Look it up.

--
Nom=de=Plume


We are overspending. Funding was not a problem. Will to fix the problem
is the problem.

Uh huh... so, when it actually takes money to fix a problem, we're
overspending, but when we go to war without a valid reason and spend
trillions, that's ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have many
believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a non-partisan but
your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my "stripes"
are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant of
facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need to
respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't give a
**** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't respond
well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who have no
tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to have
joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who would
likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a Hispanic,
it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy, freeloader,
scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic population
being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or do you
find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people who care
about family and community." I made no comment about a quantity,
except with the use of mostly, and that's been my experience. Did
you take a poll or are you just upset that they're here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I have legal
friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in law. I speak enough
Spanish to hold a conversation in a Spanish speaking country with a
non English speaker. We could end the illegal problem by the end of
the week. Pass another Bracero Bill. Work permits. We allow
100,00's of thousands of educated workers in to keep down the wages
in the professional disciplines using the H-1 visa program. I
worked along side Bracero's as a teenager. No problem with them.
But we have caused the major problem with illegal immigrants by
awarding them benefits, and then amnesty. Pays to break the law and
come here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of laws on
the books already. It's a matter of money for enforcement. And, it's
not economically or logistically possible to deport 12 million people
all at a time. The current budget calls for an increase in funding
for enforcement, mostly auditing companies that are likely to hire
illegals. That is progressing, but too slowly. There are also
technical mechanisms (e.g., actually being able to cross-ref social
security numbers with birth dates, etc.) that would help find those
who use forged documents. We need to have better border security, not
so much for the Mexican/South of the Border groups, as for
terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the border.
That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong with spotters,
but they need to be able to call law enforcement to take action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals, it's a
big deal. What were the previous administrations doing? Nothing. At
least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson Farms,
who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program of
enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
Nom=de=Plume
\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration alive.

--
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But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.


I think one of the biggest problems this country has is our political
leaders' tendency to "fix" a problem by simply passing a law. It's
lunacy. Makes the political blow-hards sound like they are on top of
the issues, but the endless barrage of new laws they author and pass
are worthless if they are unenforceable or the will to enforce them
is lacking.

Eisboch

As I said, we have plenty of law on the subject. It's enforcement, and
that has to be funded for it to be effective. This was true during
lead up to the Madoff situation also.
--
Nom=de=Plume


Funding is not the problem. "Will" is the lacking item.



You're wrong. The enforcement effort has been hamstrung by lack of
funds. Look it up.

--
Nom=de=Plume


We are overspending. Funding was not a problem. Will to fix the problem
is the problem.

Uh huh... so, when it actually takes money to fix a problem, we're
overspending, but when we go to war without a valid reason and spend
trillions, that's ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Troll.

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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have many
believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a non-partisan but
your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my "stripes"
are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant of
facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need to
respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't give a
**** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't respond
well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who have no
tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to have
joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who would
likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a Hispanic,
it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy, freeloader,
scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic population
being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or do you
find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people who
care about family and community." I made no comment about a
quantity, except with the use of mostly, and that's been my
experience. Did you take a poll or are you just upset that they're
here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I have
legal friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in law. I speak
enough Spanish to hold a conversation in a Spanish speaking country
with a non English speaker. We could end the illegal problem by
the end of the week. Pass another Bracero Bill. Work permits. We
allow 100,00's of thousands of educated workers in to keep down the
wages in the professional disciplines using the H-1 visa program.
I worked along side Bracero's as a teenager. No problem with them.
But we have caused the major problem with illegal immigrants by
awarding them benefits, and then amnesty. Pays to break the law
and come here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of laws on
the books already. It's a matter of money for enforcement. And, it's
not economically or logistically possible to deport 12 million
people all at a time. The current budget calls for an increase in
funding for enforcement, mostly auditing companies that are likely
to hire illegals. That is progressing, but too slowly. There are
also technical mechanisms (e.g., actually being able to cross-ref
social security numbers with birth dates, etc.) that would help find
those who use forged documents. We need to have better border
security, not so much for the Mexican/South of the Border groups, as
for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the border.
That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong with spotters,
but they need to be able to call law enforcement to take action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals, it's a
big deal. What were the previous administrations doing? Nothing. At
least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson Farms,
who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program of
enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
Nom=de=Plume
\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration
alive.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may be OK.
Wrong on this one being OK.

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But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.


I think one of the biggest problems this country has is our
political leaders' tendency to "fix" a problem by simply passing a
law. It's lunacy. Makes the political blow-hards sound like they
are on top of the issues, but the endless barrage of new laws they
author and pass are worthless if they are unenforceable or the will
to enforce them is lacking.

Eisboch

As I said, we have plenty of law on the subject. It's enforcement,
and that has to be funded for it to be effective. This was true
during lead up to the Madoff situation also.
--
Nom=de=Plume


Funding is not the problem. "Will" is the lacking item.



You're wrong. The enforcement effort has been hamstrung by lack of
funds. Look it up.

--
Nom=de=Plume


We are overspending. Funding was not a problem. Will to fix the problem
is the problem.

Uh huh... so, when it actually takes money to fix a problem, we're
overspending, but when we go to war without a valid reason and spend
trillions, that's ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Troll.

So, basically, you're in denial about reality.

--
Nom=de=Plume