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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have many
believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a non-partisan but
your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my "stripes"
are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant of
facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need to
respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't give a
**** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't respond
well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who have no
tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to have
joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who would
likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a Hispanic,
it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy, freeloader,
scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic population
being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or do
you find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people who
care about family and community." I made no comment about a
quantity, except with the use of mostly, and that's been my
experience. Did you take a poll or are you just upset that
they're here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I have
legal friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in law. I speak
enough Spanish to hold a conversation in a Spanish speaking
country with a non English speaker. We could end the illegal
problem by the end of the week. Pass another Bracero Bill. Work
permits. We allow 100,00's of thousands of educated workers in to
keep down the wages in the professional disciplines using the H-1
visa program. I worked along side Bracero's as a teenager. No
problem with them. But we have caused the major problem with
illegal immigrants by awarding them benefits, and then amnesty.
Pays to break the law and come here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of laws on
the books already. It's a matter of money for enforcement. And,
it's not economically or logistically possible to deport 12 million
people all at a time. The current budget calls for an increase in
funding for enforcement, mostly auditing companies that are likely
to hire illegals. That is progressing, but too slowly. There are
also technical mechanisms (e.g., actually being able to cross-ref
social security numbers with birth dates, etc.) that would help
find those who use forged documents. We need to have better border
security, not so much for the Mexican/South of the Border groups,
as for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the border.
That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong with
spotters, but they need to be able to call law enforcement to take
action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals, it's a
big deal. What were the previous administrations doing? Nothing. At
least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson
Farms, who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program of
enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
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\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration
alive.

--
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I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may be OK.
Wrong on this one being OK.

I doubt it. You don't sound like someone who would miss a chance at voting
for Bush/Cheney.

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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have
many believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a non-partisan
but your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my "stripes"
are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant of
facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need to
respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't give
a **** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't respond
well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who have no
tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to have
joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who would
likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a Hispanic,
it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy, freeloader,
scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic
population being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or do
you find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people who
care about family and community." I made no comment about a
quantity, except with the use of mostly, and that's been my
experience. Did you take a poll or are you just upset that
they're here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I have
legal friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in law. I
speak enough Spanish to hold a conversation in a Spanish speaking
country with a non English speaker. We could end the illegal
problem by the end of the week. Pass another Bracero Bill. Work
permits. We allow 100,00's of thousands of educated workers in
to keep down the wages in the professional disciplines using the
H-1 visa program. I worked along side Bracero's as a teenager.
No problem with them. But we have caused the major problem with
illegal immigrants by awarding them benefits, and then amnesty.
Pays to break the law and come here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of laws
on the books already. It's a matter of money for enforcement. And,
it's not economically or logistically possible to deport 12
million people all at a time. The current budget calls for an
increase in funding for enforcement, mostly auditing companies
that are likely to hire illegals. That is progressing, but too
slowly. There are also technical mechanisms (e.g., actually being
able to cross-ref social security numbers with birth dates, etc.)
that would help find those who use forged documents. We need to
have better border security, not so much for the Mexican/South of
the Border groups, as for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the border.
That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong with
spotters, but they need to be able to call law enforcement to take
action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals, it's
a big deal. What were the previous administrations doing? Nothing.
At least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson
Farms, who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program of
enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
Nom=de=Plume
\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration
alive.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may be
OK. Wrong on this one being OK.

I doubt it. You don't sound like someone who would miss a chance at voting
for Bush/Cheney.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Bad judge of character had to be added to your resume.

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But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.


I think one of the biggest problems this country has is our
political leaders' tendency to "fix" a problem by simply passing a
law. It's lunacy. Makes the political blow-hards sound like they
are on top of the issues, but the endless barrage of new laws they
author and pass are worthless if they are unenforceable or the will
to enforce them is lacking.

Eisboch

As I said, we have plenty of law on the subject. It's enforcement,
and that has to be funded for it to be effective. This was true
during lead up to the Madoff situation also.
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Funding is not the problem. "Will" is the lacking item.



You're wrong. The enforcement effort has been hamstrung by lack of
funds. Look it up.

--
Nom=de=Plume


We are overspending. Funding was not a problem. Will to fix the
problem is the problem.

Uh huh... so, when it actually takes money to fix a problem, we're
overspending, but when we go to war without a valid reason and spend
trillions, that's ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Troll.

So, basically, you're in denial about reality.

--
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Nope. The reality, is there is no will by the leaders to fix the problem.

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But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.


I think one of the biggest problems this country has is our
political leaders' tendency to "fix" a problem by simply passing
a law. It's lunacy. Makes the political blow-hards sound like
they are on top of the issues, but the endless barrage of new laws
they author and pass are worthless if they are unenforceable or
the will to enforce them is lacking.

Eisboch

As I said, we have plenty of law on the subject. It's enforcement,
and that has to be funded for it to be effective. This was true
during lead up to the Madoff situation also.
--
Nom=de=Plume


Funding is not the problem. "Will" is the lacking item.



You're wrong. The enforcement effort has been hamstrung by lack of
funds. Look it up.

--
Nom=de=Plume


We are overspending. Funding was not a problem. Will to fix the
problem is the problem.

Uh huh... so, when it actually takes money to fix a problem, we're
overspending, but when we go to war without a valid reason and spend
trillions, that's ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Troll.

So, basically, you're in denial about reality.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Nope. The reality, is there is no will by the leaders to fix the problem.



Like I said, you don't know the facts and won't listen to them when
presented with them. And you call me a troll???

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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have
many believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a non-partisan
but your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my "stripes"
are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant of
facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need to
respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't give
a **** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't respond
well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who have
no tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to have
joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who would
likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a
Hispanic, it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy, freeloader,
scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic
population being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or do
you find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people who
care about family and community." I made no comment about a
quantity, except with the use of mostly, and that's been my
experience. Did you take a poll or are you just upset that
they're here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I have
legal friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in law. I
speak enough Spanish to hold a conversation in a Spanish
speaking country with a non English speaker. We could end the
illegal problem by the end of the week. Pass another Bracero
Bill. Work permits. We allow 100,00's of thousands of educated
workers in to keep down the wages in the professional
disciplines using the H-1 visa program. I worked along side
Bracero's as a teenager. No problem with them. But we have
caused the major problem with illegal immigrants by awarding
them benefits, and then amnesty. Pays to break the law and come
here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of laws
on the books already. It's a matter of money for enforcement.
And, it's not economically or logistically possible to deport 12
million people all at a time. The current budget calls for an
increase in funding for enforcement, mostly auditing companies
that are likely to hire illegals. That is progressing, but too
slowly. There are also technical mechanisms (e.g., actually being
able to cross-ref social security numbers with birth dates, etc.)
that would help find those who use forged documents. We need to
have better border security, not so much for the Mexican/South of
the Border groups, as for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the border.
That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong with
spotters, but they need to be able to call law enforcement to
take action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals, it's
a big deal. What were the previous administrations doing? Nothing.
At least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson
Farms, who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program of
enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
Nom=de=Plume
\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration
alive.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may be
OK. Wrong on this one being OK.

I doubt it. You don't sound like someone who would miss a chance at
voting for Bush/Cheney.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Bad judge of character had to be added to your resume.

You're a liar. You lied about your "patents" among other things.

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In article ,
says...



I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may be
OK. Wrong on this one being OK.

I doubt it. You don't sound like someone who would miss a chance at voting
for Bush/Cheney.

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Bad judge of character had to be added to your resume.

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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have
many believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a non-partisan
but your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my
"stripes" are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant of
facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need to
respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't
give a **** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't
respond well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who have
no tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to have
joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who would
likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a
Hispanic, it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy,
freeloader, scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic
population being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or do
you find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people who
care about family and community." I made no comment about a
quantity, except with the use of mostly, and that's been my
experience. Did you take a poll or are you just upset that
they're here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I have
legal friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in law. I
speak enough Spanish to hold a conversation in a Spanish
speaking country with a non English speaker. We could end the
illegal problem by the end of the week. Pass another Bracero
Bill. Work permits. We allow 100,00's of thousands of
educated workers in to keep down the wages in the professional
disciplines using the H-1 visa program. I worked along side
Bracero's as a teenager. No problem with them. But we have
caused the major problem with illegal immigrants by awarding
them benefits, and then amnesty. Pays to break the law and come
here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of laws
on the books already. It's a matter of money for enforcement.
And, it's not economically or logistically possible to deport 12
million people all at a time. The current budget calls for an
increase in funding for enforcement, mostly auditing companies
that are likely to hire illegals. That is progressing, but too
slowly. There are also technical mechanisms (e.g., actually
being able to cross-ref social security numbers with birth
dates, etc.) that would help find those who use forged
documents. We need to have better border security, not so much
for the Mexican/South of the Border groups, as for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the
border. That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong
with spotters, but they need to be able to call law enforcement
to take action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals,
it's a big deal. What were the previous administrations doing?
Nothing. At least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson
Farms, who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program
of enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was about
it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
Nom=de=Plume
\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration
alive.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may be
OK. Wrong on this one being OK.

I doubt it. You don't sound like someone who would miss a chance at
voting for Bush/Cheney.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Bad judge of character had to be added to your resume.

You're a liar. You lied about your "patents" among other things.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You are an imcompetent patent person if you can not find my disk drive
patent.

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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have
many believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a non-partisan
but your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my
"stripes" are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant
of facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need
to respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't
give a **** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't
respond well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who have
no tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to
have joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who would
likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a
Hispanic, it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy,
freeloader, scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic
population being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or
do you find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people
who care about family and community." I made no comment about
a quantity, except with the use of mostly, and that's been my
experience. Did you take a poll or are you just upset that
they're here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I have
legal friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in law. I
speak enough Spanish to hold a conversation in a Spanish
speaking country with a non English speaker. We could end the
illegal problem by the end of the week. Pass another Bracero
Bill. Work permits. We allow 100,00's of thousands of
educated workers in to keep down the wages in the professional
disciplines using the H-1 visa program. I worked along side
Bracero's as a teenager. No problem with them. But we have
caused the major problem with illegal immigrants by awarding
them benefits, and then amnesty. Pays to break the law and
come here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of
laws on the books already. It's a matter of money for
enforcement. And, it's not economically or logistically
possible to deport 12 million people all at a time. The current
budget calls for an increase in funding for enforcement, mostly
auditing companies that are likely to hire illegals. That is
progressing, but too slowly. There are also technical
mechanisms (e.g., actually being able to cross-ref social
security numbers with birth dates, etc.) that would help find
those who use forged documents. We need to have better border
security, not so much for the Mexican/South of the Border
groups, as for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the
border. That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong
with spotters, but they need to be able to call law enforcement
to take action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals,
it's a big deal. What were the previous administrations doing?
Nothing. At least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson
Farms, who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program
of enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was
about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
Nom=de=Plume
\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration
alive.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may be
OK. Wrong on this one being OK.

I doubt it. You don't sound like someone who would miss a chance at
voting for Bush/Cheney.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Bad judge of character had to be added to your resume.

You're a liar. You lied about your "patents" among other things.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You are an imcompetent patent person if you can not find my disk drive
patent.

You're a liar. Nothing like that is in the database under the name you're
using.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have
many believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a
non-partisan but your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my
"stripes" are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant
of facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need
to respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't
give a **** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't
respond well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who
have no tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to
have joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who
would likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a
Hispanic, it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy,
freeloader, scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic
population being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or
do you find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and
loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people
who care about family and community." I made no comment
about a quantity, except with the use of mostly, and that's
been my experience. Did you take a poll or are you just
upset that they're here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I
have legal friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in
law. I speak enough Spanish to hold a conversation in a
Spanish speaking country with a non English speaker. We
could end the illegal problem by the end of the week. Pass
another Bracero Bill. Work permits. We allow 100,00's of
thousands of educated workers in to keep down the wages in
the professional disciplines using the H-1 visa program. I
worked along side Bracero's as a teenager. No problem with
them. But we have caused the major problem with illegal
immigrants by awarding them benefits, and then amnesty. Pays
to break the law and come here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of
laws on the books already. It's a matter of money for
enforcement. And, it's not economically or logistically
possible to deport 12 million people all at a time. The
current budget calls for an increase in funding for
enforcement, mostly auditing companies that are likely to hire
illegals. That is progressing, but too slowly. There are also
technical mechanisms (e.g., actually being able to cross-ref
social security numbers with birth dates, etc.) that would
help find those who use forged documents. We need to have
better border security, not so much for the Mexican/South of
the Border groups, as for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the
border. That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong
with spotters, but they need to be able to call law
enforcement to take action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government
is failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting
the nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals,
it's a big deal. What were the previous administrations doing?
Nothing. At least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson
Farms, who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program
of enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was
about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
Nom=de=Plume
\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration
alive.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may
be OK. Wrong on this one being OK.

I doubt it. You don't sound like someone who would miss a chance at
voting for Bush/Cheney.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Bad judge of character had to be added to your resume.

You're a liar. You lied about your "patents" among other things.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You are an imcompetent patent person if you can not find my disk drive
patent.

You're a liar. Nothing like that is in the database under the name you're
using.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Incompetent troll.

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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have
many believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a
non-partisan but your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my
"stripes" are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant
of facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need
to respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't
give a **** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't
respond well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who
have no tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to
have joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who
would likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a
Hispanic, it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy,
freeloader, scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic
population being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or
do you find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

--
Nom=de=Plume


GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and
loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people
who care about family and community." I made no comment
about a quantity, except with the use of mostly, and that's
been my experience. Did you take a poll or are you just
upset that they're here?

--
Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I
have legal friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in
law. I speak enough Spanish to hold a conversation in a
Spanish speaking country with a non English speaker. We
could end the illegal problem by the end of the week. Pass
another Bracero Bill. Work permits. We allow 100,00's of
thousands of educated workers in to keep down the wages in
the professional disciplines using the H-1 visa program. I
worked along side Bracero's as a teenager. No problem with
them. But we have caused the major problem with illegal
immigrants by awarding them benefits, and then amnesty. Pays
to break the law and come here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of
laws on the books already. It's a matter of money for
enforcement. And, it's not economically or logistically
possible to deport 12 million people all at a time. The
current budget calls for an increase in funding for
enforcement, mostly auditing companies that are likely to hire
illegals. That is progressing, but too slowly. There are also
technical mechanisms (e.g., actually being able to cross-ref
social security numbers with birth dates, etc.) that would
help find those who use forged documents. We need to have
better border security, not so much for the Mexican/South of
the Border groups, as for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the
border. That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong
with spotters, but they need to be able to call law
enforcement to take action.

--
Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government
is failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting
the nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals,
it's a big deal. What were the previous administrations doing?
Nothing. At least something is starting to happen.

--
Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson
Farms, who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program
of enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was
about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

--
Nom=de=Plume
\

Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration
alive.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may
be OK. Wrong on this one being OK.

I doubt it. You don't sound like someone who would miss a chance at
voting for Bush/Cheney.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Bad judge of character had to be added to your resume.

You're a liar. You lied about your "patents" among other things.

--
Nom=de=Plume


You are an imcompetent patent person if you can not find my disk drive
patent.

You're a liar. Nothing like that is in the database under the name you're
using.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Incompetent troll.


I think Nincdepoop has called everyone in the group a liar...except Harry, of
course.
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"Your honor can never be taken from you. Cherish it, in yourself and in others." (Unknown)

John H