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Point is, Richard, that you paint yourself (and have many
believers on
the right as a result of doing so) as a non-partisan but
your stripes
shine through in the most obvious way.


Believe me when I say you have no idea what my "stripes"
are.
You have a lot to say for someone who is so ignorant of
facts.


I expect crickets or a punt, so don't feel the need to
respond. You
won't disappoint me. Cuz, like you, I really don't give a
**** what
you think.


Absolutely incorrect. I do care. I just don't respond
well to narrow
minded, ill tempered and mean spirited people who have no
tolerance for
points of view other than their own. You seem to have
joined the "them against
us" mindset, regardless of political persuasion.

Discussing issues with people like yourself (who would
likely be
characterized as far more of an extremist than I) is
pointless.

Hope your business is doing well.

Eisboch

I don't think you addressed this point...

If a "conservative" would make a comment about a Hispanic,
it'd be
along the lines of "illegal, shiftless, lazy, freeloader,
scab, etc."

And you count Plume's comment about the Hispanic population
being
family-oriented and warm as being equivalently racist.

Is something about the second statement derogatory or do you
find
warm, family-oriented people to be offensive?

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GOOD GRIEF!

Eisboch



So, you refuse to address the point. Ok.

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Nom=de=Plume


All those hispanics warm and loving.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...ecentersffe c

$1.4 Billion to incarerate illegals and they are mostly
hispanic. How many more hispanics that are legal are
incarcerated?



Please show me where I said "all" Hispanics.

Please show me where "all" white are honest citizens.

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Nom=de=Plume


You insinuated that there were very few not warm and loving.

Actually, I said, "They are mostly a warm, friendly people who
care about family and community." I made no comment about a
quantity, except with the use of mostly, and that's been my
experience. Did you take a poll or are you just upset that they're
here?

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Nom=de=Plume



Mostly is a quantity. I am ****ed about the illegals. I have
legal friends that are Hispanic. Including a son in law. I speak
enough Spanish to hold a conversation in a Spanish speaking country
with a non English speaker. We could end the illegal problem by
the end of the week. Pass another Bracero Bill. Work permits. We
allow 100,00's of thousands of educated workers in to keep down the
wages in the professional disciplines using the H-1 visa program.
I worked along side Bracero's as a teenager. No problem with them.
But we have caused the major problem with illegal immigrants by
awarding them benefits, and then amnesty. Pays to break the law
and come here without papers.


Ok. Well, I'm ****ed about illegals also. We have plenty of laws on
the books already. It's a matter of money for enforcement. And, it's
not economically or logistically possible to deport 12 million
people all at a time. The current budget calls for an increase in
funding for enforcement, mostly auditing companies that are likely
to hire illegals. That is progressing, but too slowly. There are
also technical mechanisms (e.g., actually being able to cross-ref
social security numbers with birth dates, etc.) that would help find
those who use forged documents. We need to have better border
security, not so much for the Mexican/South of the Border groups, as
for terrorists.

We don't need civilians armed to the teeth patrolling the border.
That's just dumb on a number of levels. Nothing wrong with spotters,
but they need to be able to call law enforcement to take action.

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Nom=de=Plume


But the law even if called does nada. The Federal Government is
failing in one of their primary duties. That is protecting the
nation.

Huh? If a company is found to be deliberately hiring illegals, it's a
big deal. What were the previous administrations doing? Nothing. At
least something is starting to happen.

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Nom=de=Plume


The previous administration had some huge raids, netting lots of
illegals. Be outcry over the poor peons being busted. And Tyson Farms,
who is a big Dem contributor, cried wolf.

The previous administration did little and underfunded the program of
enforcement. They made a couple of show raids, and that was about it.

Suggestion: Get your head out of Dick Cheney's butt.

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Nom=de=Plume
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Get your head out of Reid's but.

You're the one who keeps the dream of the last crappy administration
alive.

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Nom=de=Plume


I did not vote for the last administration and figured this one may be OK.
Wrong on this one being OK.