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Want to see what gov run health care would look like? Here's a
glimpse:

My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which in
part gets billed to Medicare. Right now, Medicare owes them nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. Why, you ask?

Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! This has been going on for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.

So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? Do that and watch as thousands of private health care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable to
continue to stay in business. We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the public
option. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Uh-huh.




I agree with this post.

Rob



Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.




In many ways, yes, I am.

Rob


Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.



Once again, the truth hurts. You have no choice but to live with it.

Rob


I know! The truth does hurt, but you shouldn't feel to bad about being
below
average in any respect. I recall I got a B on a test once. That really
stung!

Keep digging. Eventually, you'll reach China..




Your spin is lame and obvious. You really have to work harder on that.

Rob


You're the one who's workin. I'm gliding along. Why don't you tell us how
above average you are. I'm sure you'll feel better.

His cars are better than a Toyota. His wife is either homely or dim.
Who would possibly want to be with such a dud? Maybe he had a
personality when she met him.

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Jack wrote:

Want to see what gov run health care would look like? *Here's a
glimpse:

My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which in
part gets billed to Medicare. *Right now, Medicare owes them nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. *Why, you ask?

Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. *Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. *They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! *This has been going on for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.

So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? *Do that and watch as thousands of private health care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable to
continue to stay in business. *We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the public
option. *Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." *Uh-huh.

I agree with this post.

Rob

Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.

In many ways, yes, I am.

Rob

Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.

Once again, the truth hurts. *You have no choice but to live with it.

Rob

I know! The truth does hurt, but you shouldn't feel to bad about being
below
average in any respect. I recall I got a B on a test once. That really
stung!

Keep digging. Eventually, you'll reach China..

Your spin is lame and obvious. *You really have to work harder on that.

Rob

You're the one who's workin. I'm gliding along. Why don't you tell us how
above average you are. I'm sure you'll feel better.

His cars are better than a Toyota. *His wife is either homely or dim.
Who would possibly want to be with such a dud? *Maybe he had a
personality when she met him.

Of course, you know that all you have said to be fact and are prepared
to back your claims.

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Jack wrote:

Want to see what gov run health care would look like? *Here's a
glimpse:

My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which in
part gets billed to Medicare. *Right now, Medicare owes them nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. *Why, you ask?

Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. *Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. *They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! *This has been going on for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.

So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? *Do that and watch as thousands of private health care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable to
continue to stay in business. *We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the public
option. *Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." *Uh-huh.

I agree with this post.

Rob

Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.

In many ways, yes, I am.

Rob

Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.

Once again, the truth hurts. *You have no choice but to live with it.

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Jack wrote:

Want to see what gov run health care would look like? Here's a
glimpse:

My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care
business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which
in
part gets billed to Medicare. Right now, Medicare owes them
nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. Why, you ask?

Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting
this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! This has been going on for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.

So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? Do that and watch as thousands of private health
care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable
to
continue to stay in business. We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and
timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the
public
option. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Uh-huh.

I agree with this post.

Rob

Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.

In many ways, yes, I am.

Rob

Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.

Once again, the truth hurts. You have no choice but to live with it.

Rob

I know! The truth does hurt, but you shouldn't feel to bad about being
below
average in any respect. I recall I got a B on a test once. That really
stung!

Keep digging. Eventually, you'll reach China..

Your spin is lame and obvious. You really have to work harder on that.

Rob

You're the one who's workin. I'm gliding along. Why don't you tell us how
above average you are. I'm sure you'll feel better.

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Nom=de=Plume

D'Plume, one doesn't have to be above average to spell "working"
correctly.


That's true! So, are you tellin us you're just average?

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Jack wrote:
Want to see what gov run health care would look like? Here's a
glimpse:
My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care
business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which
in
part gets billed to Medicare. Right now, Medicare owes them
nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. Why, you ask?
Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting
this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! This has been going on for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.
So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? Do that and watch as thousands of private health
care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable
to
continue to stay in business. We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and
timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the
public
option. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.
"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Uh-huh.
I agree with this post.
Rob
Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.
In many ways, yes, I am.
Rob
Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.
Once again, the truth hurts. You have no choice but to live with it.
Rob
I know! The truth does hurt, but you shouldn't feel to bad about being
below
average in any respect. I recall I got a B on a test once. That really
stung!
Keep digging. Eventually, you'll reach China..
Your spin is lame and obvious. You really have to work harder on that.
Rob
You're the one who's workin. I'm gliding along. Why don't you tell us how
above average you are. I'm sure you'll feel better.

--
Nom=de=Plume

D'Plume, one doesn't have to be above average to spell "working"
correctly.


That's true! So, are you tellin us you're just average?

He He You really are a dumb B$&@H

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If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet,or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

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Jack wrote:
Want to see what gov run health care would look like? Here's a
glimpse:
My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care
business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which
in
part gets billed to Medicare. Right now, Medicare owes them
nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. Why, you ask?
Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting
this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! This has been going on for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.
So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? Do that and watch as thousands of private health
care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable
to
continue to stay in business. We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and
timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the
public
option. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.
"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Uh-huh.
I agree with this post.
Rob
Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.
In many ways, yes, I am.
Rob
Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.
Once again, the truth hurts. You have no choice but to live with it.
Rob
I know! The truth does hurt, but you shouldn't feel to bad about being
below
average in any respect. I recall I got a B on a test once. That really
stung!
Keep digging. Eventually, you'll reach China..
Your spin is lame and obvious. You really have to work harder on that.
Rob
You're the one who's workin. I'm gliding along. Why don't you tell us how
above average you are. I'm sure you'll feel better.

--
Nom=de=Plume

D'Plume, one doesn't have to be above average to spell "working"
correctly.


That's true! So, are you tellin us you're just average?


gosh, I love it when you put the RepubliTrash down. would you please
go down on me?

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

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Jack wrote:

Want to see what gov run health care would look like? Here's a
glimpse:

My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care
business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which
in
part gets billed to Medicare. Right now, Medicare owes them
nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. Why, you ask?

Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting
this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! This has been going on for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.

So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? Do that and watch as thousands of private health
care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable
to
continue to stay in business. We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and
timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the
public
option. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Uh-huh.

I agree with this post.

Rob

Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.

In many ways, yes, I am.

Rob

Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.

Once again, the truth hurts. You have no choice but to live with it.

Rob

I know! The truth does hurt, but you shouldn't feel to bad about being
below
average in any respect. I recall I got a B on a test once. That really
stung!

Keep digging. Eventually, you'll reach China..

Your spin is lame and obvious. You really have to work harder on that.

Rob

You're the one who's workin. I'm gliding along. Why don't you tell us how
above average you are. I'm sure you'll feel better.

--
Nom=de=Plume

D'Plume, one doesn't have to be above average to spell "working"
correctly.


That's true! So, are you tellin us you're just average?

While I understand that you weren't replying to moi, I just felt the
need to let you know how very special I am. I'm much better than average
in every aspect of life. I have the best of everything, I've traveled to
all of the best places in the world, met most of the presidents of my
time and only eat at the best places.

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someone else's ID

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Jack wrote:




Want to see what gov run health care would look like? Here's a
glimpse:

My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care
business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which
in
part gets billed to Medicare. Right now, Medicare owes them
nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. Why, you ask?

Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting
this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! This has been going on
for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.

So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? Do that and watch as thousands of private health
care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable
to
continue to stay in business. We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and
timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the
public
option. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Uh-huh.





I agree with this post.

Rob




Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.





In many ways, yes, I am.

Rob



Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.




Once again, the truth hurts. You have no choice but to live with it.

Rob


I know! The truth does hurt, but you shouldn't feel to bad about being
below
average in any respect. I recall I got a B on a test once. That really
stung!

Keep digging. Eventually, you'll reach China..




Your spin is lame and obvious. You really have to work harder on that.

Rob


You're the one who's workin. I'm gliding along. Why don't you tell us how
above average you are. I'm sure you'll feel better.


I hope gliding works for you. Obama will pay your bills.

Rob


Really? Do you think I should send him my address or will he devine it from
mental vibrations?

Do you have any idea how foolish you sound....

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Jack wrote:




Want to see what gov run health care would look like? Here's a
glimpse:

My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care
business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which
in
part gets billed to Medicare. Right now, Medicare owes them
nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. Why, you ask?

Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting
this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! This has been going on
for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.

So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? Do that and watch as thousands of private health
care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable
to
continue to stay in business. We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and
timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the
public
option. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Uh-huh.





I agree with this post.

Rob




Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.





In many ways, yes, I am.

Rob



Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.




Once again, the truth hurts. You have no choice but to live with it.

Rob


I know! The truth does hurt, but you shouldn't feel to bad about being
below
average in any respect. I recall I got a B on a test once. That really
stung!

Keep digging. Eventually, you'll reach China..




Your spin is lame and obvious. You really have to work harder on that.

Rob


You're the one who's workin. I'm gliding along. Why don't you tell us how
above average you are. I'm sure you'll feel better.


I hope gliding works for you. Obama will pay your bills.

Rob


Really? Do you think I should send him my address or will he devine it from
mental vibrations?

Do you have any idea how foolish you sound....

DK works hard hauling turds from one place to another. He also works
hard to afford that fine fast food he favors. I'm betting he's fat.

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Jack wrote:





Want to see what gov run health care would look like? Here's a
glimpse:

My wife is the CFO of a small to medium sized health care
business.
One of the things they are involved with is hospice care, which
in
part gets billed to Medicare. Right now, Medicare owes them
nearly
a
million dollars, and they won't pay. Why, you ask?

Well, you might think that the company was under scrutiny, or has
filed improperly. Not the case... the snafu is solely on
Medicare's
side, and they admit it. They say they have a glitch in their
system,
telling them to hold on while they try to "work it out".
Meanwhile,
Medicare (the federal government, on Obama's watch) is hurting
this
private business, forcing them to carry the government of the US
because of Medicare's clerical error!! This has been going on
for
several weeks, and has risen to the level of letters and calls to
federal legislators for help, with no end in site.

So now you want to turn our health care over to this same
bureaucracy? Do that and watch as thousands of private health
care
providers go bankrupt or simply shut down and walk away, unable
to
continue to stay in business. We'll have a system where only the
rich
and powerful (like the congress and senate) have decent and
timely
health care because they don't have to rely *solely* on the
public
option. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be fighting, and waiting,
for
the scraps doled out by the government.

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Uh-huh.






I agree with this post.

Rob





Wow... such an inciteful follow up post Rob... one of many that are
the
same. You must be above average.






In many ways, yes, I am.

Rob




Too bad you can feel good about attempting to put others down because
of
their looks. I guess you're below average in that respect.





Once again, the truth hurts. You have no choice but to live with it.

Rob



I know! The truth does hurt, but you shouldn't feel to bad about being
below
average in any respect. I recall I got a B on a test once. That really
stung!

Keep digging. Eventually, you'll reach China..





Your spin is lame and obvious. You really have to work harder on that.

Rob


You're the one who's workin. I'm gliding along. Why don't you tell us how
above average you are. I'm sure you'll feel better.



I hope gliding works for you. Obama will pay your bills.

Rob


Really? Do you think I should send him my address or will he devine it from
mental vibrations?

Do you have any idea how foolish you sound....


Here's another glider...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

Rob