"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

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Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.

--
Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
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wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.


They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work
and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs
them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize
the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers
would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self
respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be
slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the
rest.

-S

Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to
renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.


They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work
and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs
them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize
the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers
would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self
respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be
slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the
rest.

I am with you on the unions, but don't forget management. Move the
corporate offices to China or tax friendly offshore. Have USA as a
seperate company. Hire a crack ace CEO from China for 1/10th the price
and works 10 times smarter and 10 times harder. Develop the Asia
markets to be good enough they can close up manufacturing in the USA.
Dump Ford USA into Obama's lap and say it isn't our problem any more.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.


They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work
and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs
them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize
the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would
land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect.
They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers
who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest.

I am with you on the unions, but don't forget management. Move the
corporate offices to China or tax friendly offshore. Have USA as a
seperate company. Hire a crack ace CEO from China for 1/10th the price
and works 10 times smarter and 10 times harder. Develop the Asia markets
to be good enough they can close up manufacturing in the USA. Dump Ford
USA into Obama's lap and say it isn't our problem any more.


Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

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Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:

Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

That's the essence of your political belief system.

In article ,
says...

nom=de=plume wrote:

Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

That's the essence of your political belief system.

The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world
America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief.
Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first.

"BAR" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

nom=de=plume wrote:

Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

That's the essence of your political belief system.

The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world
America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief.
Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first.


Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we
claim to be.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Stevie" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.


They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and
dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them.
Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard
workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land
right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They
are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who
just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest.

-S


I agree. They should be, but since management was so bad for so long, that's
not going to happen any time soon.

As is the normal practice, they can and should attempt to renegotiate the
terms. You do believe in negotiation don't you? Or, do you think a lock out
will work?

--
Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Stevie" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...
wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume

They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.
Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.

They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and
dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them.
Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard
workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land
right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They
are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who
just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest.

-S


I agree. They should be, but since management was so bad for so long, that's
not going to happen any time soon.

As is the normal practice, they can and should attempt to renegotiate the
terms. You do believe in negotiation don't you? Or, do you think a lock out
will work?

Kid, you're making things too complicated.
Lock out the unions. Let the workers in to work if they so desire. If
the workers think the unions deserve compensation, they can always
contiue to pay their membership fees.

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.


They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and
dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them.
Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard
workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land
right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They
are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who
just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest.

-S


I agree. They should be, but since management was so bad for so long, that's
not going to happen any time soon.

As is the normal practice, they can and should attempt to renegotiate the
terms. You do believe in negotiation don't you? Or, do you think a lock out
will work?


In a democratic society of people who can think for themselves, the
negotiation process typically takes place as a one-on-one interview -
not a wholesale demand for a pay increase without regard for individual
performance. In that case, the slackers win and the motivated lose.

-S