Jack wrote:
On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"





wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.
" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.
Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."
The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""
http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay
Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent
products that people want to buy?
lol lol

Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.

Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.

Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.

Don't forget the Harvard insiders. GM, Chrylser and Obama are all from
Harvard. And you wonder why SOX is up Wagoner for the bad GM
financials. Corporate corruption has a lot to do with this also. Tell
me a CEO like Wagoner cared? Cared about $12M year, treated like a
prince, and $20 pension -- for golf and execu-jeting.

$12 CEO pays for a lot of labour and materials. Most companies don't
get the value return. Many of these idiots can't even read!

Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"





wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

lol lol

Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.

Wonderful!

Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.

I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the
cars or
is that done by the workers?

Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.

It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?


What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

They were all greedy and killed the goose that laid the golden egg.

Even now, they lay it on non-auto businesses and people to pay for it.
And like dumb little sheep they still will vote Democrat/Obama. Because
they are too stupid to know better.

Jack wrote:
On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.
" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.
Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."
The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""
http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay
Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?
lol lol
Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.
Wonderful!
Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.
I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or
is that done by the workers?
Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?
What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while
trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees.
They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their
impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers.

In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or
"strong-arm tactics". It's illegal.

Just like politicians and business people making back room deals.

But did Wagoner see the wrath of SOX? Nope, had connections. Did
anyone go to jail for $100++ billion of GM bailout and fraud? Nope, not
a one. Did congres/senators go after Bush and Obama for
misappropriation of TARP for auto? Hell no, they quiety supported it.

Problem here is the honest smuck keeps getting in the arse and the
sociopath ego maniac crooked types make it to the top, be it a business,
union or government.

And people passively sit by and watch it happen. Do nothing. Many like
that fat lady with no brains, "Obama will pay for my gas and
mortgage..." typifies the bottom up problem in America.

nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?
lol lol


Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution.

I did. When I knew GM was going under I bought Ford @2 to $2.25, sold
it all at $6.50 for a nice ROI. Ok, I lost out, it went to $7 but you
never get burned taking a profit.

This is a spectacular money making opportunity of a lifetime. The
volitility, amazing. Must thank the Lib-Dims for the massive bank and
currency debt and keeping the ponzi scheme going. But now, looking at
cashing out of USA. The big currency drop is ramping up.

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Stevie" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs.

-S


I agree. And, Ford is doing ok, even with the current contract. If
management wants something more from the unions, then they need to negotiate
that with the unions.

Or just don't negotiate. Say this is how it is, take it or leave it.
No contract until the equity is twice that of debt.

Want to argue? Which plant are your from? Lockout and shut it down.

If Obama calls, tell big mouh to hire them himself.

wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:39:13 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

The U.A.W.’s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker’s third-quarter profit was “evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.”"

Wall Street seems to have ignored this. The stock is down today

Do you trust US corporate financials that much?

No one even went to jail for GMs mis-statements. There was even a class
action lawsuit that won, and their case was solid enough they didn't
need a criminal conviction.

US has the laws but SEC/Obama doesn't enforce them.

Meanwhile the Ford family might be selling out, why not? A little bit
that is left over is better than squat if Obama USSR nationalizes it too.

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:52:39 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

lol lol


Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution.

This is as positive as it gets for JohnH.

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume

They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.

There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off.

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Stevie" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs.

-S


I agree. And, Ford is doing ok, even with the current contract. If
management wants something more from the unions, then they need to negotiate
that with the unions.

There's another option. I think you know what it is. **** the unions.
They have pretty much destroyed manufacturing in America. They may have
fulfilled a need in the past but now they are just excess baggage. And
every American has to pay in one way or another.

In article ,
says...

Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"





wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

lol lol

Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.

Wonderful!

Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.

I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the
cars or
is that done by the workers?

Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.

It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?


What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

They were all greedy and killed the goose that laid the golden egg.

Even now, they lay it on non-auto businesses and people to pay for it.
And like dumb little sheep they still will vote Democrat/Obama. Because
they are too stupid to know better.

Looks like they smartened up today, the Republicans really ran the
table.. Even ACORN couldn't help in New Jersey.. Although they made a
good attempt, I predict some arrests over it, hopefully a bunch of
them.. Love to see those idiots froghopped down the sidewalk.

--
Wafa free again.