....operates in Brazil.

Here is some written info about the plant:

http://tinyurl.com/5pnjgf

Note the fourth paragraph:

"Ford sources said it is the sort of plant the company wants in the United
States, were it not for the United Auto Workers, which has historically
opposed such extensive supplier integration on the factory floor."

Here is a video about the plant. Listen to the last sentence.

http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189
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We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John

"John" wrote in message
...
...operates in Brazil.

Here is some written info about the plant:

http://tinyurl.com/5pnjgf

Note the fourth paragraph:

"Ford sources said it is the sort of plant the company wants in the United
States, were it not for the United Auto Workers, which has historically
opposed such extensive supplier integration on the factory floor."

Here is a video about the plant. Listen to the last sentence.

http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189
--
We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John

Yep. The union imposes restrictions such as there must be a set minimum
amount of manual labor that is inefficient, error prone and overhead. Not
to mention workmans comp charges. Hinders innovation too. This is the
hidden part of why unions are bad. Ford should just close down until the
union sees it the Ford-Brazil way and just import the plant designs for a
quick way to get it moving. If the union gets in the way, lock them out.

Imagine how bad GM and Chrysler-Cerberus is? I hear it is worse.

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:09:09 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:01 -0500, John wrote:

...operates in Brazil.

Here is some written info about the plant:

http://tinyurl.com/5pnjgf

Note the fourth paragraph:

"Ford sources said it is the sort of plant the company wants in the United
States, were it not for the United Auto Workers, which has historically
opposed such extensive supplier integration on the factory floor."

Here is a video about the plant. Listen to the last sentence.

http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

Maybe as part of the bailout or structured bankruptcy or whatever, we
could also help the company out with a bit of socialized medicine.....
like they do in Brazil, of course......

That comment has a lot of bearing.
--
We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John

On Dec 19, 10:09*am, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:01 -0500, John wrote:
...operates in Brazil.

Here is some written info about the plant:

http://tinyurl.com/5pnjgf

Note the fourth paragraph:

"Ford sources said it is the sort of plant the company wants in the United
States, were it not for the United Auto Workers, which has historically
opposed such extensive supplier integration on the factory floor."

Here is a video about the plant. Listen to the last sentence.

http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

Maybe as part of the bailout or structured bankruptcy or whatever, we
could also help the company out with a bit of socialized medicine.....
like they do in Brazil, of course......
--

If we give union employees socialized medicine the union will allow
Ford to build effecient plants?

Heh,. heh... I know what you really meant. But how about the UAW
allowing the manufacturers to build and operate these types of plants
here in the US, and in exchange the union will continue to get a great
health care package from a now profitable company? And why in the
hell should the UAW be so powerful as to be able to restrict Ford from
building the kind of plant they want? That's really screwed up!

wrote:
On Dec 19, 10:09 am, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:01 -0500, John wrote:
...operates in Brazil.
Here is some written info about the plant:
http://tinyurl.com/5pnjgf
Note the fourth paragraph:
"Ford sources said it is the sort of plant the company wants in the United
States, were it not for the United Auto Workers, which has historically
opposed such extensive supplier integration on the factory floor."
Here is a video about the plant. Listen to the last sentence.
http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189
Maybe as part of the bailout or structured bankruptcy or whatever, we
could also help the company out with a bit of socialized medicine.....
like they do in Brazil, of course......
--

If we give union employees socialized medicine the union will allow
Ford to build effecient plants?

Heh,. heh... I know what you really meant. But how about the UAW
allowing the manufacturers to build and operate these types of plants
here in the US, and in exchange the union will continue to get a great
health care package from a now profitable company? And why in the
hell should the UAW be so powerful as to be able to restrict Ford from
building the kind of plant they want? That's really screwed up!


How about telling the unions to take a hike. If any of their members
want a job they can pick up an employment application tomorrow at the
personnel office.

On Dec 19, 1:18*pm, wrote:
On Dec 19, 10:09*am, Gene wrote:





On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:01 -0500, John wrote:
...operates in Brazil.

Here is some written info about the plant:

http://tinyurl.com/5pnjgf

Note the fourth paragraph:

"Ford sources said it is the sort of plant the company wants in the United
States, were it not for the United Auto Workers, which has historically
opposed such extensive supplier integration on the factory floor."

Here is a video about the plant. Listen to the last sentence.

http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

Maybe as part of the bailout or structured bankruptcy or whatever, we
could also help the company out with a bit of socialized medicine.....
like they do in Brazil, of course......
--

If we give union employees socialized medicine the union will allow
Ford to build effecient plants?

Heh,. heh... I know what you really meant. *But how about the UAW
allowing the manufacturers *to build and operate these types of plants
here in the US, and in exchange the union will continue to get a great
health care package from a now profitable company? *And why in the
hell should the UAW be so powerful as to be able to restrict Ford from
building the kind of plant they want? *That's really screwed up!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because they just bought a president and sec. of labor...

"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Dec 19, 10:09 am, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:01 -0500, John wrote:
...operates in Brazil.
Here is some written info about the plant:
http://tinyurl.com/5pnjgf
Note the fourth paragraph:
"Ford sources said it is the sort of plant the company wants in the
United
States, were it not for the United Auto Workers, which has historically
opposed such extensive supplier integration on the factory floor."
Here is a video about the plant. Listen to the last sentence.
http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189
Maybe as part of the bailout or structured bankruptcy or whatever, we
could also help the company out with a bit of socialized medicine.....
like they do in Brazil, of course......
--

If we give union employees socialized medicine the union will allow
Ford to build effecient plants?

Heh,. heh... I know what you really meant. But how about the UAW
allowing the manufacturers to build and operate these types of plants
here in the US, and in exchange the union will continue to get a great
health care package from a now profitable company? And why in the
hell should the UAW be so powerful as to be able to restrict Ford from
building the kind of plant they want? That's really screwed up!


How about telling the unions to take a hike. If any of their members want
a job they can pick up an employment application tomorrow at the personnel
office.

Best idea I have heard yet.

But I don't think UAW sees themselves as normal Americans.

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:47:00 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Dec 19, 10:09 am, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:01 -0500, John wrote:
...operates in Brazil.
Here is some written info about the plant:
http://tinyurl.com/5pnjgf
Note the fourth paragraph:
"Ford sources said it is the sort of plant the company wants in the United
States, were it not for the United Auto Workers, which has historically
opposed such extensive supplier integration on the factory floor."
Here is a video about the plant. Listen to the last sentence.
http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189
Maybe as part of the bailout or structured bankruptcy or whatever, we
could also help the company out with a bit of socialized medicine.....
like they do in Brazil, of course......
--

If we give union employees socialized medicine the union will allow
Ford to build effecient plants?

Heh,. heh... I know what you really meant. But how about the UAW
allowing the manufacturers to build and operate these types of plants
here in the US, and in exchange the union will continue to get a great
health care package from a now profitable company? And why in the
hell should the UAW be so powerful as to be able to restrict Ford from
building the kind of plant they want? That's really screwed up!


How about telling the unions to take a hike. If any of their members
want a job they can pick up an employment application tomorrow at the
personnel office.

It is years too late to tell the designers where to head in. The
design is chisled in stone three years ahead. The big problem for GM
especially, is that the products suck. Screwing the union will not
address that, but it's a start.. Screwing the shareholders is a good
start. Jail top management, by all means.

Casady

On Dec 19, 8:15*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:47:00 -0500, BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 19, 10:09 am, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:01 -0500, John wrote:
...operates in Brazil.
Here is some written info about the plant:
http://tinyurl.com/5pnjgf
Note the fourth paragraph:
"Ford sources said it is the sort of plant the company wants in the United
States, were it not for the United Auto Workers, which has historically
opposed such extensive supplier integration on the factory floor."
Here is a video about the plant. Listen to the last sentence.
http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189
Maybe as part of the bailout or structured bankruptcy or whatever, we
could also help the company out with a bit of socialized medicine......
like they do in Brazil, of course......
--

If we give union employees socialized medicine the union will allow
Ford to build effecient plants?

Heh,. heh... I know what you really meant. *But how about the UAW
allowing the manufacturers *to build and operate these types of plants
here in the US, and in exchange the union will continue to get a great
health care package from a now profitable company? *And why in the
hell should the UAW be so powerful as to be able to restrict Ford from
building the kind of plant they want? *That's really screwed up!

How about telling the unions to take a hike. If any of their members
want a job they can pick up an employment application tomorrow at the
personnel office.

It is years too late to tell the designers where to head in. The
design is chisled in stone three years ahead. The big problem for GM
especially, is that the products suck. Screwing the union will not
address that, but it's a start.. Screwing the shareholders is a good
start. Jail top management, by all means.

Casady-

Actually, the product put out today by GM and Ford are on par, quality-
wise, with the products made by the Japanese manufacturers. The gas
mileage and price are right in line as well. It's just that the
Japanese vehicles made such huge market share gains through the 80's
and 90's that the American cars haven't been able to re-gain the
public trust, and that market share, back yet.

The stranglehold the UAW has on the Big 3 doesn't help either. Far
too restrictive.