"BAR" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?

What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard
working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it
for
the cause?

-S


I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money.
That's
really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take
place.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it.

Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.


Ok, then why do they exist? They shouldn't, yet they do.... wait for it...
because of poor management.

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Nom=de=Plume

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:22:58 -0500, BAR wrote:


Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.

It's an assembly line. How do you work harder than the guy next to you?


You screw up the entire line?

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Nom=de=Plume

On 11/4/09 11:05 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
. ..
In ,
says...

nom=de=plume wrote:

Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

That's the essence of your political belief system.

The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world
America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief.
Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first.


Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we
claim to be.



BAR is co-chair here of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" club.

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:22:58 -0500, BAR wrote:


Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.

It's an assembly line. How do you work harder than the guy next to you?


Not all union labor works on a assembly line.

I remember in 1987 having to plug in an data line monitor, in Ft.
Lauderdale, into an electrical outlet under the raised floor. The guy in
the datacenter called the electrical shop and the electrician couldn't
get to us for 1.5 hours. We had the floor open and were staring at an
electrical outlet. Neither of us were allowed to plug the cord into the
electrical outlet, union rules. It took the guy 2 hours to get to us. We
asked him why it took so long and he said that he had to take his
morning break, union rules. The electrician plugged the power cord in
and said call me when you need it unplugged. After the union electrician
left the data center guy said that it would be easier if the power cord
accidentally was kicked and fell out of the outlet when I was done. So,
I accidentally kicked the power cord out of the outlet 20 minutes later
and left. What should have taken 30 minutes at most turned into 3 hours.



We're talking about the auto manufacturers. Address that.

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Nom=de=Plume

"Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...
Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business...
right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now.
Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?

What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard
working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it
for
the cause?

-S


I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money.
That's
really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take
place.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it.

Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.

And if you work too hard, you are dragged into the bathroom and
"spoken" to..

--
Wafa free again.


I was a union member. I worked hard. My fellow worker just gave me the
advice... pace yourself, it's a long day. After a month, I saw his point,
because I was exhausted. I (we) still did a good job.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:30:39 -0500, Jim wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.
" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.
Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."
The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""
http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay
Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?
lol lol
Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.
Wonderful!
Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.
I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the
cars or
is that done by the workers?
Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?
What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while
trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees.
They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their
impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers.

In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or
"strong-arm tactics". It's illegal.


Reply: In the real world, if discovered, it should be prosecuted. Feel free
to email Fitzgerald.

Your idealism is admirable. But your naiveté is telling of your youth
and lack of real world experiences. Come back and play againwhen you
mature and grow up. Until then, it is my solemn duty, honor, and
obligation to flush you down the toilet. Bye now. And be sure to say
hello to JPS and slammer when you arrive at your destination. Harry will
be joining you shortly.

This from the asshole who changes his name every ten minutes.

He'll be butt sniffing within hours.

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:42:25 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/3/09 11:17 PM, Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...
wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume

They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.

There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off.

They should... Why do guys get 75 dollars an hour to run a computerized
screwdriver?


This from a guy who couldn't hang onto a job pushing a broom and mucking
out horse stalls?

If you're going to lie, why not lie big?

The guys with computerized screwdrivers are making $350/hr.

$75/hr. is likely the fully burdened cost including depreciation of
the computerized screwdriver, the assembly line, health insurance,
pension, FICA, Medicare, SUI, toilet paper in the rest rooms,
electricity for the lighting, etc.

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:08:25 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/4/09 11:05 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
. ..
In ,
says...

nom=de=plume wrote:

Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

That's the essence of your political belief system.

The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world
America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief.
Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first.


Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we
claim to be.



BAR is co-chair here of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" club.

FlaToeJam is the welcoming committee
Herring is in charge of Incloosion Illoosion
Jackoff heads up sheets and hats
The Freak is equipment manager
Tim provides counsel to the baptised
Insurance reseller resells insurance to anyone willing to buy

On 11/4/09 2:22 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:08:25 -0500, H the
wrote:

On 11/4/09 11:05 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
. ..
In ,
says...

nom=de=plume wrote:

Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

That's the essence of your political belief system.

The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world
America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief.
Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first.


Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we
claim to be.



BAR is co-chair here of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" club.

FlaToeJam is the welcoming committee
Herring is in charge of Incloosion Illoosion
Jackoff heads up sheets and hats
The Freak is equipment manager
Tim provides counsel to the baptised
Insurance reseller resells insurance to anyone willing to buy


What a line-up!

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:30:39 -0500, Jim wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.
" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.
Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."
The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""
http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay
Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?
lol lol
Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.
Wonderful!
Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.
I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the
cars or
is that done by the workers?
Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?
What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while
trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees.
They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their
impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers.

In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or
"strong-arm tactics". It's illegal.


Reply: In the real world, if discovered, it should be prosecuted. Feel free
to email Fitzgerald.

Your idealism is admirable. But your naiveté is telling of your youth
and lack of real world experiences. Come back and play againwhen you
mature and grow up. Until then, it is my solemn duty, honor, and
obligation to flush you down the toilet. Bye now. And be sure to say
hello to JPS and slammer when you arrive at your destination. Harry will
be joining you shortly.

It will save you from reading a lot of ****.