In article ,
says...
Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?

What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard
working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for
the cause?

-S


I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's
really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it.

Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:
wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.
" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.
Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."
The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""
http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay
Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?
lol lol
Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.
Wonderful!
Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.
I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the
cars or
is that done by the workers?
Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?
What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while
trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees.
They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their
impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers.

In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or
"strong-arm tactics". It's illegal.


Reply: In the real world, if discovered, it should be prosecuted. Feel free
to email Fitzgerald.

Your idealism is admirable. But your naiveté is telling of your youth
and lack of real world experiences. Come back and play againwhen you
mature and grow up. Until then, it is my solemn duty, honor, and
obligation to flush you down the toilet. Bye now. And be sure to say
hello to JPS and slammer when you arrive at your destination. Harry will
be joining you shortly.

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:22:58 -0500, BAR wrote:


Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.

It's an assembly line. How do you work harder than the guy next to you?

On 11/3/09 11:17 PM, Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...
wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume

They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.

There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off.

They should... Why do guys get 75 dollars an hour to run a computerized
screwdriver?


This from a guy who couldn't hang onto a job pushing a broom and mucking
out horse stalls?

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:22:58 -0500, BAR wrote:


Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.

It's an assembly line. How do you work harder than the guy next to you?


Not all union labor works on a assembly line.

I remember in 1987 having to plug in an data line monitor, in Ft.
Lauderdale, into an electrical outlet under the raised floor. The guy in
the datacenter called the electrical shop and the electrician couldn't
get to us for 1.5 hours. We had the floor open and were staring at an
electrical outlet. Neither of us were allowed to plug the cord into the
electrical outlet, union rules. It took the guy 2 hours to get to us. We
asked him why it took so long and he said that he had to take his
morning break, union rules. The electrician plugged the power cord in
and said call me when you need it unplugged. After the union electrician
left the data center guy said that it would be easier if the power cord
accidentally was kicked and fell out of the outlet when I was done. So,
I accidentally kicked the power cord out of the outlet 20 minutes later
and left. What should have taken 30 minutes at most turned into 3 hours.

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...
Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?

What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard
working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for
the cause?

-S


I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's
really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it.

Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.

And if you work too hard, you are dragged into the bathroom and
"spoken" to..

--
Wafa free again.

On 11/4/09 8:52 AM, Tosk wrote:
In om,
says...

In ,
says...
Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?

What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard
working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for
the cause?

-S


I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's
really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it.

Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.

And if you work too hard, you are dragged into the bathroom and
"spoken" to..



I'll bet you spent a lot of time in those bathroom stalls, hoping to see
a foot come under to greet yours.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:22:58 -0500, BAR wrote:


Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working
harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same
regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor.

It's an assembly line. How do you work harder than the guy next to you?

Have you ever been in a union slow down? A wildcat strike? I have. One
way is to go to the safety book and start stopping production lines for
things that have been in place for ever. When we (teamsters) wanted to
shut down Finast, we pulled horn wires off the forklifts, found chips
missing from solid tires, and parked the rigs across the isles, marked
them with red tags we had been handed on the way in that day, then stood
there and made sure management didn't move them the 4 feet out of the
way so production could continue. If a manager or security moved the
thing, they lost their job. It took the two maintenance workers each
shift three days to clear the isles cause they were "magic" I guess,
they could move those rigs with chipped tires or bad horns to the sides
of the isles, without getting killed, amazing.. While we all sat in the
lunchroom and ate our lunch or stood in the parking lot smoking butts
and many getting drunk. Well, the drunk part happened all the time
anyway, but hey... The company eventually sued the union and won. Later
that year they broke the union, laid off 25% of the work force, and
eventually sold to a Canadian company with no union. Now the
Finast/Edwards stores have been sucked up by their other acquisition,
Stop and Shop...

--
Wafa free again.

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:52:39 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

lol lol


Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution.

I started the thread.

lol

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

nom=de=plume wrote:

Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

That's the essence of your political belief system.

The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world
America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief.
Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first.


Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we
claim to be.

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Nom=de=Plume