In article ,
says...
Thought you were for
SMALLER government?

Putting words in my mouth again?



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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner.

Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.

No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not
cheap these days.
If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H

Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national
id card? That's quite a statement.
Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.

The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.


No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms
will be lost and gone forever.

Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion,
plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for
SMALLER government?

I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic
freedoms' I've lost forever.

Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about?

Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's
pure horse**** and you know it.
--

John H

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:46:45 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was
deliberately left out of the law...
That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?
Why not carry passports? Europeans do it, and it hasn't killed any of
them. Hell, it might even reduce voter fraud. Oh, wait a minute,
liberals are in *favor* of voter fraud.

I forgot.
--

John H
Please show me where any liberal EVER said that they were "in favor of
voter fraud" or apologize for the lie.
I bet Harry has uttered those words before, especially if it creates one
party rule like we have now. And if you think there are not millions of
other idiots like him around, you are not paying attention.

And what does that have to do with me? Are you responsible for every
word uttered by any conservative?

You said "show me where *any* liberal... " And Harry is certainly a
liberal, no?

I'll bet good money Harry never said he was "in favor of voter fraud".
Ergo, John owes an apology.

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
Thought you were for
SMALLER government?

Putting words in my mouth again?




Oh, so your NOT for smaller government??

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner.
Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.
No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not
cheap these days.
If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H
Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national
id card? That's quite a statement.
Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.
The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.

No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms
will be lost and gone forever.

Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion,
plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for
SMALLER government?

I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic
freedoms' I've lost forever.

Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about?

Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card.

Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's
pure horse**** and you know it.
--

John H

Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it?

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:39:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:46:45 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was
deliberately left out of the law...
That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?
Why not carry passports? Europeans do it, and it hasn't killed any of
them. Hell, it might even reduce voter fraud. Oh, wait a minute,
liberals are in *favor* of voter fraud.

I forgot.
--

John H
Please show me where any liberal EVER said that they were "in favor of
voter fraud" or apologize for the lie.
I bet Harry has uttered those words before, especially if it creates one
party rule like we have now. And if you think there are not millions of
other idiots like him around, you are not paying attention.

And what does that have to do with me? Are you responsible for every
word uttered by any conservative?

You said "show me where *any* liberal... " And Harry is certainly a
liberal, no?

I'll bet good money Harry never said he was "in favor of voter fraud".
Ergo, John owes an apology.

Go read all of plum's posts. You'll find it.

Ergo, no apology.
--

John H

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:42:16 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner.
Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.
No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not
cheap these days.
If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H
Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national
id card? That's quite a statement.
Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.
The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.

No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms
will be lost and gone forever.

Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion,
plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for
SMALLER government?

I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic
freedoms' I've lost forever.

Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about?

Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card.

Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's
pure horse**** and you know it.
--

John H

Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it?

Think PASSPORT loogy, and then get back to me.

I already have a national ID card. Sure didn't cost any $23 billion.

Tell me what freedoms I've lost? Tell me what freedoms a passport
causes one to lose.

What freedoms would a 'national ID card' cause one to lose that a
passport wouldn't?
--

John H

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:39:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:46:45 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it
was
deliberately left out of the law...
That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might
be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't
prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?
Why not carry passports? Europeans do it, and it hasn't killed any
of
them. Hell, it might even reduce voter fraud. Oh, wait a minute,
liberals are in *favor* of voter fraud.

I forgot.
--

John H
Please show me where any liberal EVER said that they were "in favor
of
voter fraud" or apologize for the lie.
I bet Harry has uttered those words before, especially if it creates
one
party rule like we have now. And if you think there are not millions
of
other idiots like him around, you are not paying attention.

And what does that have to do with me? Are you responsible for every
word uttered by any conservative?

You said "show me where *any* liberal... " And Harry is certainly a
liberal, no?

I'll bet good money Harry never said he was "in favor of voter fraud".
Ergo, John owes an apology.

Go read all of plum's posts. You'll find it.

Ergo, no apology.
--

John H

Johnny, your little act is getting thin.
Even your enlisted men are getting ready to mutiny.

Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:39:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:46:45 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it
was
deliberately left out of the law...
That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might
be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't
prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?
Why not carry passports? Europeans do it, and it hasn't killed any
of
them. Hell, it might even reduce voter fraud. Oh, wait a minute,
liberals are in *favor* of voter fraud.

I forgot.
--

John H
Please show me where any liberal EVER said that they were "in favor
of
voter fraud" or apologize for the lie.
I bet Harry has uttered those words before, especially if it creates
one
party rule like we have now. And if you think there are not millions
of
other idiots like him around, you are not paying attention.

And what does that have to do with me? Are you responsible for every
word uttered by any conservative?
You said "show me where *any* liberal... " And Harry is certainly a
liberal, no?

I'll bet good money Harry never said he was "in favor of voter fraud".
Ergo, John owes an apology.
Go read all of plum's posts. You'll find it.

Ergo, no apology.
--

John H

Johnny, your little act is getting thin.
Even your enlisted men are getting ready to mutiny.




But herring is such a *good* christian! :)


--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport?
They're not cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the
fact that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared
winner.
Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating
in the polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and
supportive. Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position,
Bush squandered it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and
we're much worse off, politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.
No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not cheap these days.
Oh, that question. I have no proposals with regard to how poor people
obtain passports. You figure it out. You seem semi intelligent.

Not require a national id card... but of course, this is a Republican
talking point not mine.


Did I say anything about a national ID card? I guess, maybe, I gave you
too much credit.


You said you don't know (or apparently care) how poor people obtain
passports. Just because you're irritated doesn't mean you should scratch.

Still with the personal insults.... what a creep.


Why would poor people need passports, sweetie? If they could afford
travel, is it too much of a stretch for you to figure out they could
afford a passport.


Read the thread and get back to us when you understand.


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Nom=de=Plume