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In article , says... However we do have some new (or recently returned) professional snarks and name callers returning to the scene... You and your asshole buddies never left. |
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39*am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. *we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. *Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Aug 12, 10:27*am, JustWait wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:39*am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. Wow, I think I almost got to the third name calling paragraph.. Right winger, right winger, right winger... It's not only the right that hates this new Health care scam... hmmm...so you say. as to a 'scam', ever hear of HMO's? Why is it that many libe here don't accept that others can look at a certain dataset and come up with a different opinion? it's not an opinion; it's a myth that kills people all the crap about how the rich love to help the middle class...how the middle class loves the rich because every middle class person's gonna be rich someday... the easter bunny has more credibility |
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On Aug 12, 9:13*pm, Just John II wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39*am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. *we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible.. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. *so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world.. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. *Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. *i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. have you, in your visions of delusions, ever noticed how most right wingers engage in fantasies that would embarrass a 7 year old child? Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? let me know when you stop believing in the tooth fairy |
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On Aug 12, 10:22*am, JustWait wrote:
In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102 @o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 12, 8:42*am, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line? oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the american economy in the last year or so. Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in spending... right.. -- no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000 night stands, their maybach sedans, etc. i just have to pay for their mistakes |
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