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On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote:
In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102
@o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...



On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't
mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion
and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be
those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.
Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that
line?
oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.
Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion
in
spending... right..

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no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000
night stands, their maybach sedans, etc.

i just have to pay for their mistakes

The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your
corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have
more than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had
saved.
Doesn't matter, that's the price they pay to get your money and USE it.

Yes it matters. You invested $30k and your employer matched for another
$30k. With the market, that $60k went to $300k. You lost 40% of the
$300k. How much you still got? $180k. You did not lose 40% of your
investment. You still are 200% a head.
Again, that's the cost the burden for having my money to use.

Not arguing the vig for using your money. But lots of those 401k's were
highly inflated gains. Better than Made-off gains. But some are counting
the 40% decline as a loss. Was a paper gain and a paper loss. I had to
move a 401K when the market was great. While decidine where to invest the
money, the market crashed. I got to keep those irrational gains as the
money was in a cash account.

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
JustWait wrote:


Hummm, sounds like what we just went through last year with our financial
advisor and dad's liar... er, uh, lawyer... And when you say "as in do
they have a will, a living trust, do they want to be on life support as
long as life support will sustain brain activity, do they want to NOT be
on life support.." do you mean kind of like Planned Parenthood does when
it pushes it's political agenda on the client? Cause I don't want a
political party having that much influence on me or my family, you know,
from a monopoly type setting...


The moron thinks someone from a political party is going to visit him to
help him plan his demise.



Why...is there a law down there that restricts being stupid & ugly at the
same time?
Looney better be careful.

Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
JustWait wrote:

Hummm, sounds like what we just went through last year with our financial
advisor and dad's liar... er, uh, lawyer... And when you say "as in do
they have a will, a living trust, do they want to be on life support as
long as life support will sustain brain activity, do they want to NOT be
on life support.." do you mean kind of like Planned Parenthood does when
it pushes it's political agenda on the client? Cause I don't want a
political party having that much influence on me or my family, you know,
from a monopoly type setting...

The moron thinks someone from a political party is going to visit him to
help him plan his demise.



Why...is there a law down there that restricts being stupid & ugly at the
same time?
Looney better be careful.




Hell, if there were such visitors, he'd be low on the list, as befits a
short pile of ****. Herring is about 6'3" and much older...he'd be near
the top of the list.

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
JustWait wrote:

Hummm, sounds like what we just went through last year with our
financial advisor and dad's liar... er, uh, lawyer... And when you say
"as in do they have a will, a living trust, do they want to be on life
support as long as life support will sustain brain activity, do they
want to NOT be on life support.." do you mean kind of like Planned
Parenthood does when it pushes it's political agenda on the client?
Cause I don't want a political party having that much influence on me
or my family, you know, from a monopoly type setting...

The moron thinks someone from a political party is going to visit him to
help him plan his demise.



Why...is there a law down there that restricts being stupid & ugly at the
same time?
Looney better be careful.


Hell, if there were such visitors, he'd be low on the list, as befits a
short pile of ****. Herring is about 6'3" and much older...he'd be near
the top of the list.

And a fat, stupid guy like you would be in the top ten.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:08:24 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:45*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:

ROFLMAO!! they only do that because congress authorized them to. *and
because they've gutted pension plans. and, of course, they get a tax
write off for 401k's. and they just stole the money back so their
contributions are nil

and, no, i don't have more money. my financial advisor told me that if
i had put my money in my mattress since 2002, i'd be 20% ahead of
where i'm at now.

My financial adviser told me, when the DOW was at 6700, that I might
have to work a couple of extra years, until I was 60, before I retired.
But, he also said that this is a great time to buy. Just the other day
we, the wife and I, met with our financial adviser and we are back on
track for me to retire at 56 since the DOW is at 9300. Retiring at 56
has been my goal for the past 5 years so. When I do retire I will have
enough money to last until I and my wife reach 90 living at our current
standard of living.

great. unfortunately the rest of america has been treated by the
wealthy like we were a piggy bank. i've lost 40% of my 401K. and that
means working until i'm 65 or more. just to ensure the wealthy folks
could maintain their lifestyles.



You blame the wealthy for the 40% drop? What happened to Barney and
Chris? Where've you been?

Do you think the wealthy don't own stock? Do you think they purposely
let the price of stock fall 40%?

Wow.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:31:43 -0400, NotNow wrote:

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 12, 8:39 am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on
people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it
does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when
they
are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people
being treated when they are beyond help
If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I
spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is
paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance
company and
I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract.
well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending
mine

where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales?

you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums
for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i
pay too.

you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know
only what fox news tells you to think.

there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person
when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a
serious illness isn't getting it.

you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high.
you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep
you safe from the big bad boogeyman.

welcome to reality, right winger.

OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner
possible.
people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't
pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing
thinks
about it, that is RATIONING
We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and
services too. If you want it pay for it.
well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving
my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up
THIS point.

so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this
country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class
and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the
world.
We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and
services too. If you want it pay for it.
i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual
ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket,
be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when
healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue.

you right wingers do love your fables, don't you?

Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health
care
and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account,
they will
bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures.
WAIT, THERE'S MORE.
the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine
Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to
rationing.
and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you
yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it.

you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the
free market' dance...

what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman
sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have
shown
how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many
of us.
Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when
you
go see your doctor.
agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your
own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's
a matter of public policy.

yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT
WORK in medical care.
Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what
attracts so
many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can
become
rich.

and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs,
and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the
industrialized world.

you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom
that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that
the rich rely on to keep them rich.

Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals
must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of
winning an argument.

Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or
make you appear just as another Harry Krause?

He is another Harry, KF him and get it over with...




Awww...the righties are upset because they can't sell their bull****.

Still depending on the state for your health care, bozo?


The Obama death squad, I mean end of life consideration team will be
stopping by to have a consultation with you soon. I hope you don't get
sick.

That's pure horse****. Have you read the material? It says nothing like
what most of the right wingers are trying to make people think it says.

Starts on page 429. Go read it.

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...ext-071409.pdf
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
SteveB wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
JLH wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:05 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h

wrote:

John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.
That "death panel" bull**** you all are harping is so dishonest it's
shameful.
I absolutely agree. But there shall be some laws and practices in place
that will get the same results, even though there won't be three fat ladies
sitting there gorging on pizza and Diet Pepsi while dispensing life and
death. But you can bet there will be some review committee, and I predict
the old Roman thumbs up thumbs down thing will be revived.

Death panel? Sheesh, we're not that stupid.

Steve


http://www.classicalideals.com/HR3200.htm
Wow...

Great. Now y'all are using one person's opinion of the actual HR to come
to your conclusions. I suppose that person doesn't have an agenda, huh?

Don't you have some ribs to cook or something.. I never got mine
Track is closed today so you got me on and off all day long.

Found the problem with the bike. The guy who tried to help me at the
last race between motos, dropped a part out of the carb.. The needle
slide so the thing was just dumping raw gas... ugh. But the thing runs
like a champ with the fresh top end..


So there wasn't anything internally wrong? At least you can keep the
parts then!

Not quite... I still had to change out the water pump seal as I was
loosing coolant into the case. I didn't notice it though cause I change
the oil every other day or so... Probably what blew the head gasket,
another rookie mistake but I have a pretty good handle on the engine
now, pretty easy once you see one apart. Fires up nice, 170 lbs.
compression. She is lovin' it...

RMR, who needs brakes?

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Aug 13, 5:57*pm, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:08:24 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:



On Aug 13, 7:45*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:

ROFLMAO!! they only do that because congress authorized them to. *and
because they've gutted pension plans. and, of course, they get a tax
write off for 401k's. and they just stole the money back so their
contributions are nil

and, no, i don't have more money. my financial advisor told me that if
i had put my money in my mattress since 2002, i'd be 20% ahead of
where i'm at now.

My financial adviser told me, when the DOW was at 6700, that I might
have to work a couple of extra years, until I was 60, before I retired..
But, he also said that this is a great time to buy. Just the other day
we, the wife and I, met with our financial adviser and we are back on
track for me to retire at 56 since the DOW is at 9300. Retiring at 56
has been my goal for the past 5 years so. When I do retire I will have
enough money to last until I and my wife reach 90 living at our current
standard of living.

great. unfortunately the rest of america has been treated by the
wealthy like we were a piggy bank. i've lost 40% of my 401K. and that
means working until i'm 65 or more. just to ensure the wealthy folks
could maintain their lifestyles.

You blame the wealthy for the 40% drop? What happened to Barney and
Chris? Where've you been?

newsflash: they had nothing to do with CDO's expanding from 920B in
1997 to SIXTY TWO TRILLION dollars (yes, ladies and gentlemen...CDO's
were worth more than the GDP of the ENTIRE PLANET) in 2007.


Do you think the wealthy don't own stock? Do you think they purposely
let the price of stock fall 40%?

i think they got greedy, knowing full well that they'd rape the middle
class if they lost their money

and that's exactly what happened

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
SteveB wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
JLH wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:05 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h

wrote:

John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.
That "death panel" bull**** you all are harping is so dishonest it's
shameful.
I absolutely agree. But there shall be some laws and practices in place
that will get the same results, even though there won't be three fat ladies
sitting there gorging on pizza and Diet Pepsi while dispensing life and
death. But you can bet there will be some review committee, and I predict
the old Roman thumbs up thumbs down thing will be revived.

Death panel? Sheesh, we're not that stupid.

Steve


http://www.classicalideals.com/HR3200.htm
Wow...

Great. Now y'all are using one person's opinion of the actual HR to come
to your conclusions. I suppose that person doesn't have an agenda, huh?
Don't you have some ribs to cook or something.. I never got mine
Track is closed today so you got me on and off all day long.

Found the problem with the bike. The guy who tried to help me at the
last race between motos, dropped a part out of the carb.. The needle
slide so the thing was just dumping raw gas... ugh. But the thing runs
like a champ with the fresh top end..

So there wasn't anything internally wrong? At least you can keep the
parts then!

Not quite... I still had to change out the water pump seal as I was
loosing coolant into the case. I didn't notice it though cause I change
the oil every other day or so... Probably what blew the head gasket,
another rookie mistake but I have a pretty good handle on the engine
now, pretty easy once you see one apart. Fires up nice, 170 lbs.
compression. She is lovin' it...

RMR, who needs brakes?


I really enjoy rebuilding and fixing engines. It's a peaceful pastime
for me. I'm looking for a cool car to start rebuilding for the Breez!