On Aug 12, 8:39*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:


much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on
people in the last few weeks of life. *we need to understand when it
does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they
are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people
being treated when they are beyond help

If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I
spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is
paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and
I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract.

well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending
mine

where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales?

you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums
for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i
pay too.

you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know
only what fox news tells you to think.

there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person
when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a
serious illness isn't getting it.

you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high.
you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep
you safe from the big bad boogeyman.

welcome to reality, right winger.


OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible.
people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't
pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks
about it, that is RATIONING

We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and
services too. If you want it pay for it.

well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving
my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up
THIS point.


so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this
country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class
and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world.

We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and
services too. If you want it pay for it.

i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual
ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket,
be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when
healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue.

you right wingers do love your fables, don't you?


Act NOW and there is MORE. *Not only will you get crappy health care
and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will
bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures.
WAIT, THERE'S MORE.

the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine

Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing.

and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you
yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it.

you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the
free market' dance...


what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman
sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown
how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us.

Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you
go see your doctor.

agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your
own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's
a matter of public policy.


yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT
WORK in medical care.

Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so
many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become
rich.


and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs,
and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the
industrialized world.

you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom
that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that
the rich rely on to keep them rich.