On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:49:10 -0400, Another John wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:45:47 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:42:38 -0400, Little John wrote:


The town hall meetings are being disrupted by those against the
current batch of bull****, unread policies. Those folks are both
Republicans *and* Democrats.

Funny, I heard Rush say the very same thing.

Good. Now expand a little more and you'll get a feel for what's
happening.

Thunder, do you think it's a *good* thing for unread bills to be passed?

Another Rip Van Winkle. Do you think Congressmen just now stopped
reading bills? Just because Obama's President?

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:00:21 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:49:10 -0400, Another John wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:45:47 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:42:38 -0400, Little John wrote:


The town hall meetings are being disrupted by those against the
current batch of bull****, unread policies. Those folks are both
Republicans *and* Democrats.

Funny, I heard Rush say the very same thing.

Good. Now expand a little more and you'll get a feel for what's
happening.

Thunder, do you think it's a *good* thing for unread bills to be passed?

Another Rip Van Winkle. Do you think Congressmen just now stopped
reading bills? Just because Obama's President?

Another question unanswered.

I've heard of very few thousand page bills attempting to get shoved
through Congress in two days.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:49:10 -0400, Another John wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:45:47 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:42:38 -0400, Little John wrote:


The town hall meetings are being disrupted by those against the
current batch of bull****, unread policies. Those folks are both
Republicans *and* Democrats.
Funny, I heard Rush say the very same thing.
Good. Now expand a little more and you'll get a feel for what's
happening.

Thunder, do you think it's a *good* thing for unread bills to be passed?

Another Rip Van Winkle. Do you think Congressmen just now stopped
reading bills? Just because Obama's President?


Most congressperson depend upon their staff to prepare a precis of
Bills, and to call out areas that individual congressperson might either
approve of or find objectionable. Anyone who thinks congresspersons read
through the mountain of Bills that are introduced in each session of
Congress is hopelessly naive. Some Bills are read from beginning to end
by many members but not the majority of them.

Since the start of the current congress, some 3500 Bills have been
introduced in the House and some 1500 have been introduced in the
Senate. The House has passed 500+ Bills, the Senate half that many or
maybe a little less. There are tons and tons of other paperwork going
around, including committee and subcommittee testimony.

I suppose if you are really simple-minded, you think your
representatives personally read every document that crosses their desks.

H the K wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:49:10 -0400, Another John wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:45:47 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:42:38 -0400, Little John wrote:


The town hall meetings are being disrupted by those against the
current batch of bull****, unread policies. Those folks are both
Republicans *and* Democrats.
Funny, I heard Rush say the very same thing.
Good. Now expand a little more and you'll get a feel for what's
happening.

Thunder, do you think it's a *good* thing for unread bills to be passed?

Another Rip Van Winkle. Do you think Congressmen just now stopped
reading bills? Just because Obama's President?


Most congressperson depend upon their staff to prepare a precis of
Bills, and to call out areas that individual congressperson might either
approve of or find objectionable. Anyone who thinks congresspersons read
through the mountain of Bills that are introduced in each session of
Congress is hopelessly naive. Some Bills are read from beginning to end
by many members but not the majority of them.

Since the start of the current congress, some 3500 Bills have been
introduced in the House and some 1500 have been introduced in the
Senate. The House has passed 500+ Bills, the Senate half that many or
maybe a little less. There are tons and tons of other paperwork going
around, including committee and subcommittee testimony.

I suppose if you are really simple-minded, you think your
representatives personally read every document that crosses their desks.

Lets make a deal. It's about money, power, and image. Congress critters,
Dem and Rep alike don't G A S what's in the language of bills. U.S.
politics stinks. From the big Kahuna to the lowly freshman representative.

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:00:21 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:49:10 -0400, Another John wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:45:47 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:42:38 -0400, Little John wrote:


The town hall meetings are being disrupted by those against the
current batch of bull****, unread policies. Those folks are both
Republicans *and* Democrats.

Funny, I heard Rush say the very same thing.

Good. Now expand a little more and you'll get a feel for what's
happening.

Thunder, do you think it's a *good* thing for unread bills to be passed?

Another Rip Van Winkle. Do you think Congressmen just now stopped
reading bills? Just because Obama's President?

Let me ask you a question.

Have you read it? It will affect you you know.

I'm up to page 783 and I have almost one legal pad full of notes and
comments on various sections and I'll probably have to start a second.
I also had to call our family attorney to have him explain various
legalese to me because there's some language in it that is absolutely
baffling.

How many Congress Critters can say that? I know our Representative
hasn't read it - he said so. And he's a lawyer.

I'll also mention that those who have actually taken the time to read
it are scared ****less about it - even Democrats are taking a WTF?
attitude to it.

I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's
about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really
smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's
opinions and can discuss and debate rationally.

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:00:21 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:49:10 -0400, Another John wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:45:47 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:42:38 -0400, Little John wrote:


The town hall meetings are being disrupted by those against the
current batch of bull****, unread policies. Those folks are both
Republicans *and* Democrats.

Funny, I heard Rush say the very same thing.

Good. Now expand a little more and you'll get a feel for what's
happening.

Thunder, do you think it's a *good* thing for unread bills to be passed?

Another Rip Van Winkle. Do you think Congressmen just now stopped
reading bills? Just because Obama's President?

Let me ask you a question.

Have you read it? It will affect you you know.

I'm up to page 783 and I have almost one legal pad full of notes and
comments on various sections and I'll probably have to start a second.
I also had to call our family attorney to have him explain various
legalese to me because there's some language in it that is absolutely
baffling.

How many Congress Critters can say that? I know our Representative
hasn't read it - he said so. And he's a lawyer.

I'll also mention that those who have actually taken the time to read
it are scared ****less about it - even Democrats are taking a WTF?
attitude to it.

I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's
about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really
smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's
opinions and can discuss and debate rationally.

I'm simple-minded enough to believe that our legislators should read and
understand legislation, especially those bills that have such momentous
impact. To say that staff does the grunt work is misleading when 1,000 page
bills are introduced and voted on in the same week. When did staff have time
to digest the material?

Perhaps if we required understanding by the legislators we would have far
less onerous laws.

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:



Let me ask you a question.

The Health Care Bill, H.R.3200? I have read a few parts of it, mainly to
get context for some quotes. But, frankly, I do not plan on reading the
full text.


Have you read it? It will affect you you know.

I'm up to page 783 and I have almost one legal pad full of notes and
comments on various sections and I'll probably have to start a second. I
also had to call our family attorney to have him explain various
legalese to me because there's some language in it that is absolutely
baffling.

Isn't all legalese baffling? I thought that was the reason it was
invented. ;-)


How many Congress Critters can say that? I know our Representative
hasn't read it - he said so. And he's a lawyer.

I'll also mention that those who have actually taken the time to read it
are scared ****less about it - even Democrats are taking a WTF? attitude
to it.

I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's
about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really
smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's
opinions and can discuss and debate rationally.

Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion.

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:34 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:



Let me ask you a question.

The Health Care Bill, H.R.3200? I have read a few parts of it, mainly to
get context for some quotes. But, frankly, I do not plan on reading the
full text.


Have you read it? It will affect you you know.

I'm up to page 783 and I have almost one legal pad full of notes and
comments on various sections and I'll probably have to start a second. I
also had to call our family attorney to have him explain various
legalese to me because there's some language in it that is absolutely
baffling.

Isn't all legalese baffling? I thought that was the reason it was
invented. ;-)


How many Congress Critters can say that? I know our Representative
hasn't read it - he said so. And he's a lawyer.

I'll also mention that those who have actually taken the time to read it
are scared ****less about it - even Democrats are taking a WTF? attitude
to it.

I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's
about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really
smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's
opinions and can discuss and debate rationally.

Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion.

I suppose you've got unflagging trust in the 'synopses' you've heard
from Pelosi, Reid, and Obama?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:43:13 -0400, Another John wrote:


I suppose you've got unflagging trust in the 'synopses' you've heard
from Pelosi, Reid, and Obama?

Who? I only listen to Rush.

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:43:13 -0400, Another John wrote:


I suppose you've got unflagging trust in the 'synopses' you've heard
from Pelosi, Reid, and Obama?

Who? I only listen to Rush.

You should add Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs. My guess is that if you are a
rightie and want to be a broadcaster, you have to bring a note from your
last psych exam that you are indeed insane.