BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:

Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh?
It is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized
campaign to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues.

Great spin Harry. Too bad it isn't true. Just like the tea parties the
bi-partisan uprising surrounding health care is a grass roots genuine
one and not a David Axelrod astro-turf manufactured one.

Videos taken at these meetings are all over the news, bertie. Maybe not
on fox, though, eh?




I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to town
hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings,
Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings.

The Community Organizer and Chief Barack Hussein Obama has unleashed the
his corps of brown ****s, known as ACORN, and the true thugs will be
out in force now. As we have already seen ACORN will be packing the town
hall meetings before the doors are "opened" to the public only to find
that the town hall is already at capacity.

Good by 1st amendment.

Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my
self-employed status. Sorry. :)

We know you have been leeching off of a union that you haven't actually
worked for in 40 years. It is too bad they haven't figured out that you
are only a member to reap the benefits from those poor working stiffs.

You know nothing of the kind. Perhaps if you had gone to college instead
of into the marines, your mind might have been trained.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:



to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen.

And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer,
you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore.

This thread wander from its original purpose. I think it is absolutely
ridiculous that a sitting president would think that he could collect
information on those that do not agree with his ideas. While the
liberals have trivialized collection of the names, I am sure the people
of Germany trivialized the thing Hitler was doing in the mid 1930's.
The only way an obvious wrong can be lived with is if you can some way
rationalize it to make it seem right. I am not saying obama is a
Hitler, evolving rationalization of an increasing wrong is easier than
standing up and not accepting it in the first place.

As for health care, the cost is directly proportional strength of the 0%
risk mind set of the American people. Doctor malpractice insurance
should be a minimal factor in the operation of their practice, but it is
not. Doctors over medicate and over test to make themselves less liable
to malpractice. (If you say you have a problem, a doctor must prescribe
and test, or else he is negligent.) (Remember a doctor has never
claimed to know medicine he is always practicing. This is acceptable as
every person present a different system of variables for a drug to work in)

Government regulations have driven up the cost of medication requiring
drug companies to devote 30 to 40% of their staff to monitoring new
regulations, interpreting regulations, and enforcing regulations in the
manufacturing operations.

Finally regardless of how good or bad and an idea is if you can not
afford it it is a bad idea. Our deficit in the first six month of
obama's administration is 5 time what the obama objected to when he
campaigned against President Bush.(nearly 2 Trillion dollars) President
Bush saw the need to help the financial institutions. After a lot of
foot dragging obama final instituted those measures and the economy has
rebounded. (Up nearly 50% from where it was at the end of the obama
plunge). His stimulus package has not yet had an effect on the economy
as less that 20% of the money has been spent. The only thing he has
done correctly is the institution of to TAX cuts for home purchases and
the auto tax rebate system. (Which was miss handled)

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.

I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

"JustWait" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:34 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's
about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really
smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's
opinions and can discuss and debate rationally.

Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion.

It was interesting to say the least.

What I found most interesting is that nobody, other than myself and
two otehr people there - one a tax accountant, the other a local
doctor, had actually attempted to read the bill.

I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

I did manage to get a question in, but the answer was as stated above
- they would not and could not answer specific line item questions
about the bill - only about the genral over view of the bill and how
it would affect Americans.

And we found out that our Rep is not going to be addressing health
care in individual forums but will be conducting an "open" town hall
conference call. WTF?

These "phone" (phony) town halls are becoming pretty popular... It is a
whole lot easier to control the questions and set them up that way. The
Health Care Reform bill is a farce, and everyone knows it.

~~ sigh ~~

It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former
counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being
very well received even among Democrats.

Should be an interesting August.



--
Wafa free since 2009

Notice how WAFA and others like him always attack the messengers, never the
message. They never offer their own points in support of a proposition.
Losers all.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.

I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

And you have known liars like Pelosi (remember the CIA issue which has
been squashed) saying she is seeing swasticka's at these meetings and of
course that is bad. Fact is, nobody can find a picture of the health
care oppositition bearing swasticka's at any of these meetings. However
the news showed dozens of pictures of them at anti bush rallies, hitler
mustaches, etc... I guess it's only ok if it's brown shirts like ACORN,
code pink, and Union officials..

Oh, and they are the only ones allowed to enjoy freedom of speech.. it's
getting pretty bad..

--
Wafa free since 2009

Lu Powell wrote:

"JustWait" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:34 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's
about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really
smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's
opinions and can discuss and debate rationally.

Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion.

It was interesting to say the least.

What I found most interesting is that nobody, other than myself and
two otehr people there - one a tax accountant, the other a local
doctor, had actually attempted to read the bill.

I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

I did manage to get a question in, but the answer was as stated above
- they would not and could not answer specific line item questions
about the bill - only about the genral over view of the bill and how
it would affect Americans.

And we found out that our Rep is not going to be addressing health
care in individual forums but will be conducting an "open" town hall
conference call. WTF?

These "phone" (phony) town halls are becoming pretty popular... It is a
whole lot easier to control the questions and set them up that way. The
Health Care Reform bill is a farce, and everyone knows it.

~~ sigh ~~

It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former
counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being
very well received even among Democrats.

Should be an interesting August.



--
Wafa free since 2009

Notice how WAFA and others like him always attack the messengers, never
the message. They never offer their own points in support of a
proposition. Losers all.



The only message the republi-thugs have is "let's disrupt the meeting so
there is no discussion."

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.
That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.
I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

And you have known liars like Pelosi (remember the CIA issue which has
been squashed) saying she is seeing swasticka's at these meetings and of
course that is bad. Fact is, nobody can find a picture of the health
care oppositition bearing swasticka's at any of these meetings. However
the news showed dozens of pictures of them at anti bush rallies, hitler
mustaches, etc... I guess it's only ok if it's brown shirts like ACORN,
code pink, and Union officials..

Oh, and they are the only ones allowed to enjoy freedom of speech.. it's
getting pretty bad..



Freedom of speech at a town hall meeting means you listen to the
presenter, you ask questions, you get answers, and you are courteous to
your fellow citizens who are there to ask questions, get answers, and
learn from the dialogues.

Of course, you and your kind fear that sort of dialogue.

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:41:02 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:


That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read
it in it's entirety.

I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I respect your ambition. You have considerable reading ahead of you.
Once you get through the House bill, there will be the Senate bill, then
the reconciliation bill, ...

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

Most people understand the differences between concerned citizens, and
mobs. Mobs are disruptive. But hey, whatever floats your boat. I'm
sure our democracy will survive.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

Maybe, but on health care, it's reaching critical mass, rapidly becoming
20%GDP. That is unsustainable. Health care in this country is broken,
and something will be done about it. The status quo can not continue.

H the K wrote:
Lu Powell wrote:

"JustWait" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:34 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's
about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really
smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's
opinions and can discuss and debate rationally.

Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion.

It was interesting to say the least.

What I found most interesting is that nobody, other than myself and
two otehr people there - one a tax accountant, the other a local
doctor, had actually attempted to read the bill.

I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

I did manage to get a question in, but the answer was as stated above
- they would not and could not answer specific line item questions
about the bill - only about the genral over view of the bill and how
it would affect Americans.

And we found out that our Rep is not going to be addressing health
care in individual forums but will be conducting an "open" town hall
conference call. WTF?

These "phone" (phony) town halls are becoming pretty popular... It is a
whole lot easier to control the questions and set them up that way. The
Health Care Reform bill is a farce, and everyone knows it.

~~ sigh ~~

It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former
counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being
very well received even among Democrats.

Should be an interesting August.



--
Wafa free since 2009

Notice how WAFA and others like him always attack the messengers,
never the message. They never offer their own points in support of a
proposition. Losers all.



The only message the republi-thugs have is "let's disrupt the meeting so
there is no discussion."

Thank you for so eloquently proving Lou's point. WAFA

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former
counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being
very well received even among Democrats.

Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and
everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that.

The great insurance they have suddenly declares that you have a
pre-existing condition. They don't have to provide proof and you can't
stop the premiums until the first of the year or quit your job. They just
refuse to pay for any further service pertaining to your problem. Been
there, know the results. Screw the insurance companies. Capitalism at it's
finest.

If you haven't been there you know nothing!