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Doug Dotson wrote:
wrote in message ... On 2005-05-04 said: There is a news group of sometime questionable protocols that might be willing to help you determine whether CB radio would work for you. It is rec.radio.cb. Give it a try. Good luck Nah I wouldn't suggest using cb for anything, maybe cb'ers for target practice. HEre's why. THe original poster says: Del Cecchi wrote: I am looking for a way to communicate from boat to my spouse on shore over distances of less than 10 miles. This is due to some medical issues I have. I have looked at VHF radios, but there seem to be few that plug into 110 for cabin use. I could just go with a couple of hand helds if that would have the range. Does anyone have experience with the range of VHF Handhelds? Any suggestions for a unit for the Cabin? Or do I just get a boat unit, a battery and a charger? NO cell phone coverage in the area, get a regular marine unit for the cabin, forget the charger unless you want battery backup. Even then get a 12 volt dc power supply to power the radio and/or float charge your battery so that you have the radio powered even if the cabin loses electrical power from mains service. YOu can install a decent antenna on the roof of the cabin or somewhere else and have 10 miles or so easy. And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor? CB it's all according. Sometimes 10 miles can be a push if you've got the skip rolling good and some loudmouth redneck yelling "how 'bout it skipland!!!" when you're trying to talk between you. Skip isn;t a possability at 10 miles. Groundwave only. AT ten miles without a good gain antenna at both ends chances are good you're going to be fighting to be heard over the trash. True, so install a good antenna. gO marine vhf or gmrs. GMRS is legal, marine isn't. YEs both require some licensing, but it's well worth it in the long run. License or not, marine is illegal for the proposed situation. Ham has the same thing with rigs, not many vhf/uhf rigs made to run off a/c mains power, so in those cases a decent power supply to power a mobile and a decent base station antenna will be better investments than a cb radio for reliability. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email Seems like there's a hole in the market here boys! Who's gonna be the first to plug it? -- -- Digital Photo-charts fo all UK areas. Remove 'nospam' to reply. |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ... On 2005-05-04 said: There is a news group of sometime questionable protocols that might be willing to help you determine whether CB radio would work for you. It is rec.radio.cb. Give it a try. Good luck Nah I wouldn't suggest using cb for anything, maybe cb'ers for target practice. HEre's why. THe original poster says: Del Cecchi wrote: I am looking for a way to communicate from boat to my spouse on shore over distances of less than 10 miles. This is due to some medical issues I have. I have looked at VHF radios, but there seem to be few that plug into 110 for cabin use. I could just go with a couple of hand helds if that would have the range. Does anyone have experience with the range of VHF Handhelds? Any suggestions for a unit for the Cabin? Or do I just get a boat unit, a battery and a charger? NO cell phone coverage in the area, get a regular marine unit for the cabin, forget the charger unless you want battery backup. Even then get a 12 volt dc power supply to power the radio and/or float charge your battery so that you have the radio powered even if the cabin loses electrical power from mains service. YOu can install a decent antenna on the roof of the cabin or somewhere else and have 10 miles or so easy. And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor? CB it's all according. Sometimes 10 miles can be a push if you've got the skip rolling good and some loudmouth redneck yelling "how 'bout it skipland!!!" when you're trying to talk between you. Skip isn;t a possability at 10 miles. Groundwave only. AT ten miles without a good gain antenna at both ends chances are good you're going to be fighting to be heard over the trash. True, so install a good antenna. gO marine vhf or gmrs. GMRS is legal, marine isn't. YEs both require some licensing, but it's well worth it in the long run. License or not, marine is illegal for the proposed situation. Ham has the same thing with rigs, not many vhf/uhf rigs made to run off a/c mains power, so in those cases a decent power supply to power a mobile and a decent base station antenna will be better investments than a cb radio for reliability. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email Seems like there's a hole in the market here boys! Who's gonna be the first to plug it? Yes, it seems as if there is no solution. VHF is unlawful, GMRS is too expensive and won't go far enough if I understand correctly, at least without a elaborate base station. CB is the only hope, and it is reportedly still overpopulated with obscenity and lunacy. :-( It is only an 18 foot fishing boat on a lake in northern Minnesota. del cecchi |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote: Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ... On 2005-05-04 said: There is a news group of sometime questionable protocols that might be willing to help you determine whether CB radio would work for you. It is rec.radio.cb. Give it a try. Good luck Nah I wouldn't suggest using cb for anything, maybe cb'ers for target practice. HEre's why. THe original poster says: Del Cecchi wrote: I am looking for a way to communicate from boat to my spouse on shore over distances of less than 10 miles. This is due to some medical issues I have. I have looked at VHF radios, but there seem to be few that plug into 110 for cabin use. I could just go with a couple of hand helds if that would have the range. Does anyone have experience with the range of VHF Handhelds? Any suggestions for a unit for the Cabin? Or do I just get a boat unit, a battery and a charger? NO cell phone coverage in the area, get a regular marine unit for the cabin, forget the charger unless you want battery backup. Even then get a 12 volt dc power supply to power the radio and/or float charge your battery so that you have the radio powered even if the cabin loses electrical power from mains service. YOu can install a decent antenna on the roof of the cabin or somewhere else and have 10 miles or so easy. And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor? CB it's all according. Sometimes 10 miles can be a push if you've got the skip rolling good and some loudmouth redneck yelling "how 'bout it skipland!!!" when you're trying to talk between you. Skip isn;t a possability at 10 miles. Groundwave only. AT ten miles without a good gain antenna at both ends chances are good you're going to be fighting to be heard over the trash. True, so install a good antenna. gO marine vhf or gmrs. GMRS is legal, marine isn't. YEs both require some licensing, but it's well worth it in the long run. License or not, marine is illegal for the proposed situation. Ham has the same thing with rigs, not many vhf/uhf rigs made to run off a/c mains power, so in those cases a decent power supply to power a mobile and a decent base station antenna will be better investments than a cb radio for reliability. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email Seems like there's a hole in the market here boys! Who's gonna be the first to plug it? -- -- Digital Photo-charts fo all UK areas. Remove 'nospam' to reply. There isn't a hole in the market, there is a Giant Regulatory Roadblock for noncommercial Maritime Shore Stations. They are not LEGAL by ITU Regulation, not just in the USofA. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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Bruce in Alaska wrote:
In article , "Dennis Pogson" wrote: Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ... On 2005-05-04 said: There is a news group of sometime questionable protocols that might be willing to help you determine whether CB radio would work for you. It is rec.radio.cb. Give it a try. Good luck Nah I wouldn't suggest using cb for anything, maybe cb'ers for target practice. HEre's why. THe original poster says: Del Cecchi wrote: I am looking for a way to communicate from boat to my spouse on shore over distances of less than 10 miles. This is due to some medical issues I have. I have looked at VHF radios, but there seem to be few that plug into 110 for cabin use. I could just go with a couple of hand helds if that would have the range. Does anyone have experience with the range of VHF Handhelds? Any suggestions for a unit for the Cabin? Or do I just get a boat unit, a battery and a charger? NO cell phone coverage in the area, get a regular marine unit for the cabin, forget the charger unless you want battery backup. Even then get a 12 volt dc power supply to power the radio and/or float charge your battery so that you have the radio powered even if the cabin loses electrical power from mains service. YOu can install a decent antenna on the roof of the cabin or somewhere else and have 10 miles or so easy. And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor? CB it's all according. Sometimes 10 miles can be a push if you've got the skip rolling good and some loudmouth redneck yelling "how 'bout it skipland!!!" when you're trying to talk between you. Skip isn;t a possability at 10 miles. Groundwave only. AT ten miles without a good gain antenna at both ends chances are good you're going to be fighting to be heard over the trash. True, so install a good antenna. gO marine vhf or gmrs. GMRS is legal, marine isn't. YEs both require some licensing, but it's well worth it in the long run. License or not, marine is illegal for the proposed situation. Ham has the same thing with rigs, not many vhf/uhf rigs made to run off a/c mains power, so in those cases a decent power supply to power a mobile and a decent base station antenna will be better investments than a cb radio for reliability. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email Seems like there's a hole in the market here boys! Who's gonna be the first to plug it? -- -- Digital Photo-charts fo all UK areas. Remove 'nospam' to reply. There isn't a hole in the market, there is a Giant Regulatory Roadblock for noncommercial Maritime Shore Stations. They are not LEGAL by ITU Regulation, not just in the USofA. Well you can't blame the world's many governments for wanting to keep control of the airwaves. You would have a million DJ's pumping out their drivel, ad infinitum. The guy mentions medical issues, maybe there are mitigating circumstances, such as the authorities not wishing to pay his funeral expenses, plus compensation to his spouse? A homing pidgeon is surely within the law, even in the USofA? I have several for sale, male and female, from $10K each. Dennis. -- Remove 'nospam' to reply. |
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So to summarize, with the possible exception of CB there is no legal way for
me to keep in contact while out fishing that is affordable and likely to work. However, since I am pretty well off in the boonies with no Coast Guard and few federal officials I could likely get away with VHF, since it would really be difficult to distinguish my "base station" from another boat, and boat to boat communication is perfectly all right. Besides by the time they tracked me down summer would be over. :-) del |
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"Del Cecchi" wrote: So to summarize, with the possible exception of CB there is no legal way for me to keep in contact while out fishing that is affordable and likely to work. However, since I am pretty well off in the boonies with no Coast Guard and few federal officials I could likely get away with VHF, since it would really be difficult to distinguish my "base station" from another boat, and boat to boat communication is perfectly all right. Besides by the time they tracked me down summer would be over. :-) del Well Yes, all that you state is true, but a Person with an Ounce of PERSONAL INTEGRITY, wouldn't violate the Law just for convience. Actually you could very easily just get yourself a Business Radio Service License, and use Land Mobile VHF Radios and be perfectly LEGAL, in all respects. I am suprised no one else came up with that option. It is what Business Radio Service is all about. You will not get your own Private Frequency, but a shared frequency with PL would do you just spiffy..... Bruce in alaska once an FCC Field Agent......... -- add a 2 before @ |
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"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message ... In article , "Del Cecchi" wrote: So to summarize, with the possible exception of CB there is no legal way for me to keep in contact while out fishing that is affordable and likely to work. However, since I am pretty well off in the boonies with no Coast Guard and few federal officials I could likely get away with VHF, since it would really be difficult to distinguish my "base station" from another boat, and boat to boat communication is perfectly all right. Besides by the time they tracked me down summer would be over. :-) del Well Yes, all that you state is true, but a Person with an Ounce of PERSONAL INTEGRITY, wouldn't violate the Law just for convience. Actually you could very easily just get yourself a Business Radio Service License, and use Land Mobile VHF Radios and be perfectly LEGAL, in all respects. I am suprised no one else came up with that option. It is what Business Radio Service is all about. You will not get your own Private Frequency, but a shared frequency with PL would do you just spiffy..... Bruce in alaska once an FCC Field Agent......... -- add a 2 before @ Well Bruce, did you ever drive faster than 55 between 1980 and a few years ago? :-) Anyway, I was just summarizing options. So where does one buy those business radios, and what does the license cost? del |
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"Del Cecchi" wrote: Well Bruce, did you ever drive faster than 55 between 1980 and a few years ago? :-) Anyway, I was just summarizing options. So where does one buy those business radios, and what does the license cost? del Nope, I live far out in the alaskan bush, and I don't drive on Federal Roads. There aren't any around here, In fact, the nearest road, that connects to anywhere, is 350 miles north. Any Radio Shop in the phonebook can sell you the radios, and they also can help you with the licensing paperwork. The license is a bit over $100US as I recall, but that is good for 5 or 10 years. I still do FCC License Consulting, but I am not cheap. ( $160US/hr ) Mostly Marine Coast Stations and Specialty Exemption Requests, and I still have a bunch of good contacts in Gettysburg, PA. Just finished a bunch of RadioLocation Experimental STA's for some small protable Radar Speed Sensers last month. They are used in RollerCoaster Testing all around the US, and exceed Part 15 Power Levels, hence the requirement for the STA's, (Special Temperary Authority) untill Licensing can figure out what FCC Form the Permenant Station License needs to be applied for, on, and exactly what Service they are going to License these devices under. Navigating the FCC Licensing Forms is a major pain in the ass, but if you know exactly what "Buzz Words", to stick in which boxes, you can usually get an application "Granted" first time thru. If not, you lose your Application Fee, and have to start over. That is what makes Licensing Consulting, such a profitable sideline. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: ldjgbllpbapjglppdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcbomh lajbmojfjoihmjdillphahkfobdkeomjdlikofcabndokjebbd okmcigmdjfonlfaadapnafnjdhgdglgnonkjfbcphokilpmoen ljlcafhlni NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 15:44:14 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 19:44:14 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.boats.electronics:60078 On 2005-05-06 said: Actually you could very easily just get yourself a Business Radio Service License, and use Land Mobile VHF Radios and be perfectly LEGAL, in all respects. I am suprised no one else came up with that option. It is what Business Radio Service is all about. You will not get your own Private Frequency, but a shared frequency with PL would do you just spiffy. True enough, and he could use the same antenna for marine channels, albeit with another radio. THis is the same reason I suggested Murs. Only problem is I'm not hearing of that much equipment available for murs yet. I think Popular COmmunications did a review of one unit for the Murs freqs a couple months back but that's the first I"ve seen. FOr the original poster, check with reputable two-way radio shops in your area regarding business band equipment for vhf. IF all else fails ask your plumber heating contractor or other businessmen you deal with who use two-way radio equipment in their endeavors to steer you to their provider of services. YOu might find some used equipment at a reasonable price. IF you buy new often an application is included for the license. FOr Murs equipment I think good ol' radio slack is selling murs equipment these days, those are the "color dot" channels in the vhf range around 154-155 mhz. NO license required and with a decent antenna at the cabin you could conceivably achieve ten mile range. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- if its supposed to move but doesn't, use wd40 if it moves but shouldn't use duct tape |
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