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Doug Dotson wrote:
wrote in message ... On 2005-05-04 said: There is a news group of sometime questionable protocols that might be willing to help you determine whether CB radio would work for you. It is rec.radio.cb. Give it a try. Good luck Nah I wouldn't suggest using cb for anything, maybe cb'ers for target practice. HEre's why. THe original poster says: Del Cecchi wrote: I am looking for a way to communicate from boat to my spouse on shore over distances of less than 10 miles. This is due to some medical issues I have. I have looked at VHF radios, but there seem to be few that plug into 110 for cabin use. I could just go with a couple of hand helds if that would have the range. Does anyone have experience with the range of VHF Handhelds? Any suggestions for a unit for the Cabin? Or do I just get a boat unit, a battery and a charger? NO cell phone coverage in the area, get a regular marine unit for the cabin, forget the charger unless you want battery backup. Even then get a 12 volt dc power supply to power the radio and/or float charge your battery so that you have the radio powered even if the cabin loses electrical power from mains service. YOu can install a decent antenna on the roof of the cabin or somewhere else and have 10 miles or so easy. And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor? CB it's all according. Sometimes 10 miles can be a push if you've got the skip rolling good and some loudmouth redneck yelling "how 'bout it skipland!!!" when you're trying to talk between you. Skip isn;t a possability at 10 miles. Groundwave only. AT ten miles without a good gain antenna at both ends chances are good you're going to be fighting to be heard over the trash. True, so install a good antenna. gO marine vhf or gmrs. GMRS is legal, marine isn't. YEs both require some licensing, but it's well worth it in the long run. License or not, marine is illegal for the proposed situation. Ham has the same thing with rigs, not many vhf/uhf rigs made to run off a/c mains power, so in those cases a decent power supply to power a mobile and a decent base station antenna will be better investments than a cb radio for reliability. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email Seems like there's a hole in the market here boys! Who's gonna be the first to plug it? -- -- Digital Photo-charts fo all UK areas. Remove 'nospam' to reply. |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ... On 2005-05-04 said: There is a news group of sometime questionable protocols that might be willing to help you determine whether CB radio would work for you. It is rec.radio.cb. Give it a try. Good luck Nah I wouldn't suggest using cb for anything, maybe cb'ers for target practice. HEre's why. THe original poster says: Del Cecchi wrote: I am looking for a way to communicate from boat to my spouse on shore over distances of less than 10 miles. This is due to some medical issues I have. I have looked at VHF radios, but there seem to be few that plug into 110 for cabin use. I could just go with a couple of hand helds if that would have the range. Does anyone have experience with the range of VHF Handhelds? Any suggestions for a unit for the Cabin? Or do I just get a boat unit, a battery and a charger? NO cell phone coverage in the area, get a regular marine unit for the cabin, forget the charger unless you want battery backup. Even then get a 12 volt dc power supply to power the radio and/or float charge your battery so that you have the radio powered even if the cabin loses electrical power from mains service. YOu can install a decent antenna on the roof of the cabin or somewhere else and have 10 miles or so easy. And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor? CB it's all according. Sometimes 10 miles can be a push if you've got the skip rolling good and some loudmouth redneck yelling "how 'bout it skipland!!!" when you're trying to talk between you. Skip isn;t a possability at 10 miles. Groundwave only. AT ten miles without a good gain antenna at both ends chances are good you're going to be fighting to be heard over the trash. True, so install a good antenna. gO marine vhf or gmrs. GMRS is legal, marine isn't. YEs both require some licensing, but it's well worth it in the long run. License or not, marine is illegal for the proposed situation. Ham has the same thing with rigs, not many vhf/uhf rigs made to run off a/c mains power, so in those cases a decent power supply to power a mobile and a decent base station antenna will be better investments than a cb radio for reliability. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email Seems like there's a hole in the market here boys! Who's gonna be the first to plug it? Yes, it seems as if there is no solution. VHF is unlawful, GMRS is too expensive and won't go far enough if I understand correctly, at least without a elaborate base station. CB is the only hope, and it is reportedly still overpopulated with obscenity and lunacy. :-( It is only an 18 foot fishing boat on a lake in northern Minnesota. del cecchi |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: npbhgpngjbkmjfegdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcboml kibcjhgakienhmejgjiijhoejndpjjidmpleaiinijddbialpn flbapfokdkpeondnhmgimenceljkfgcmmgfccglpemhihedcfm holdhlfghb NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 09:50:47 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Service Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 13:50:47 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.boats.electronics:60024 On 2005-05-05 said: CB it's all according. Sometimes 10 miles can be a push if you've got the skip rolling good and some loudmouth redneck yelling "how 'bout it skipland!!!" when you're trying to talk between you. Skip isn;t a possability at 10 miles. Groundwave only. True but the skip can easily overwhelm the ground wave station you're trying to hear at 10 miles. without a good gain antenna at both ends chances are good you're going to be fighting to be heard over the trash. True, so install a good antenna. YEs but I'd still suggest something vhf or uhf. gO marine vhf or gmrs. GMRS is legal, marine isn't. YEs there is the problem of the shore station on marine vhf. YEs both require some licensing, but it's well worth it in the long run. License or not, marine is illegal for the proposed situation. in the market here boys! Who's gonna be the first to plug it? HEre in the states we've got the new Murs service on vhf. DOn't know how that would do you for a 10 mile range but with a decent antenna on both ends it might work. YOu could probably use your same marine vhf antenna for the murs frequencies. YEs indeed a hole in the market, but I wouldn't ever want to depend on cb for anything except maybe running up and down the highway and communicating with the vehicles within a mile or two of me. Have seen times when to get ten mile range I had to put a little more fire in the wire than the legal 5 watts. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote: Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ... On 2005-05-04 said: There is a news group of sometime questionable protocols that might be willing to help you determine whether CB radio would work for you. It is rec.radio.cb. Give it a try. Good luck Nah I wouldn't suggest using cb for anything, maybe cb'ers for target practice. HEre's why. THe original poster says: Del Cecchi wrote: I am looking for a way to communicate from boat to my spouse on shore over distances of less than 10 miles. This is due to some medical issues I have. I have looked at VHF radios, but there seem to be few that plug into 110 for cabin use. I could just go with a couple of hand helds if that would have the range. Does anyone have experience with the range of VHF Handhelds? Any suggestions for a unit for the Cabin? Or do I just get a boat unit, a battery and a charger? NO cell phone coverage in the area, get a regular marine unit for the cabin, forget the charger unless you want battery backup. Even then get a 12 volt dc power supply to power the radio and/or float charge your battery so that you have the radio powered even if the cabin loses electrical power from mains service. YOu can install a decent antenna on the roof of the cabin or somewhere else and have 10 miles or so easy. And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor? CB it's all according. Sometimes 10 miles can be a push if you've got the skip rolling good and some loudmouth redneck yelling "how 'bout it skipland!!!" when you're trying to talk between you. Skip isn;t a possability at 10 miles. Groundwave only. AT ten miles without a good gain antenna at both ends chances are good you're going to be fighting to be heard over the trash. True, so install a good antenna. gO marine vhf or gmrs. GMRS is legal, marine isn't. YEs both require some licensing, but it's well worth it in the long run. License or not, marine is illegal for the proposed situation. Ham has the same thing with rigs, not many vhf/uhf rigs made to run off a/c mains power, so in those cases a decent power supply to power a mobile and a decent base station antenna will be better investments than a cb radio for reliability. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email Seems like there's a hole in the market here boys! Who's gonna be the first to plug it? -- -- Digital Photo-charts fo all UK areas. Remove 'nospam' to reply. There isn't a hole in the market, there is a Giant Regulatory Roadblock for noncommercial Maritime Shore Stations. They are not LEGAL by ITU Regulation, not just in the USofA. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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Bruce in Alaska wrote:
In article , "Dennis Pogson" wrote: Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ... On 2005-05-04 said: There is a news group of sometime questionable protocols that might be willing to help you determine whether CB radio would work for you. It is rec.radio.cb. Give it a try. Good luck Nah I wouldn't suggest using cb for anything, maybe cb'ers for target practice. HEre's why. THe original poster says: Del Cecchi wrote: I am looking for a way to communicate from boat to my spouse on shore over distances of less than 10 miles. This is due to some medical issues I have. I have looked at VHF radios, but there seem to be few that plug into 110 for cabin use. I could just go with a couple of hand helds if that would have the range. Does anyone have experience with the range of VHF Handhelds? Any suggestions for a unit for the Cabin? Or do I just get a boat unit, a battery and a charger? NO cell phone coverage in the area, get a regular marine unit for the cabin, forget the charger unless you want battery backup. Even then get a 12 volt dc power supply to power the radio and/or float charge your battery so that you have the radio powered even if the cabin loses electrical power from mains service. YOu can install a decent antenna on the roof of the cabin or somewhere else and have 10 miles or so easy. And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor? CB it's all according. Sometimes 10 miles can be a push if you've got the skip rolling good and some loudmouth redneck yelling "how 'bout it skipland!!!" when you're trying to talk between you. Skip isn;t a possability at 10 miles. Groundwave only. AT ten miles without a good gain antenna at both ends chances are good you're going to be fighting to be heard over the trash. True, so install a good antenna. gO marine vhf or gmrs. GMRS is legal, marine isn't. YEs both require some licensing, but it's well worth it in the long run. License or not, marine is illegal for the proposed situation. Ham has the same thing with rigs, not many vhf/uhf rigs made to run off a/c mains power, so in those cases a decent power supply to power a mobile and a decent base station antenna will be better investments than a cb radio for reliability. Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email Seems like there's a hole in the market here boys! Who's gonna be the first to plug it? -- -- Digital Photo-charts fo all UK areas. Remove 'nospam' to reply. There isn't a hole in the market, there is a Giant Regulatory Roadblock for noncommercial Maritime Shore Stations. They are not LEGAL by ITU Regulation, not just in the USofA. Well you can't blame the world's many governments for wanting to keep control of the airwaves. You would have a million DJ's pumping out their drivel, ad infinitum. The guy mentions medical issues, maybe there are mitigating circumstances, such as the authorities not wishing to pay his funeral expenses, plus compensation to his spouse? A homing pidgeon is surely within the law, even in the USofA? I have several for sale, male and female, from $10K each. Dennis. -- Remove 'nospam' to reply. |
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So to summarize, with the possible exception of CB there is no legal way for
me to keep in contact while out fishing that is affordable and likely to work. However, since I am pretty well off in the boonies with no Coast Guard and few federal officials I could likely get away with VHF, since it would really be difficult to distinguish my "base station" from another boat, and boat to boat communication is perfectly all right. Besides by the time they tracked me down summer would be over. :-) del |
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"Del Cecchi" wrote: So to summarize, with the possible exception of CB there is no legal way for me to keep in contact while out fishing that is affordable and likely to work. However, since I am pretty well off in the boonies with no Coast Guard and few federal officials I could likely get away with VHF, since it would really be difficult to distinguish my "base station" from another boat, and boat to boat communication is perfectly all right. Besides by the time they tracked me down summer would be over. :-) del Well Yes, all that you state is true, but a Person with an Ounce of PERSONAL INTEGRITY, wouldn't violate the Law just for convience. Actually you could very easily just get yourself a Business Radio Service License, and use Land Mobile VHF Radios and be perfectly LEGAL, in all respects. I am suprised no one else came up with that option. It is what Business Radio Service is all about. You will not get your own Private Frequency, but a shared frequency with PL would do you just spiffy..... Bruce in alaska once an FCC Field Agent......... -- add a 2 before @ |
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"Del Cecchi" wrote in
: So to summarize, with the possible exception of CB there is no legal way for me to keep in contact while out fishing that is affordable and likely to work. However, since I am pretty well off in the boonies with no Coast Guard and few federal officials I could likely get away with VHF, since it would really be difficult to distinguish my "base station" from another boat, and boat to boat communication is perfectly all right. Besides by the time they tracked me down summer would be over. :-) del Del, the solution is very simple. Go to: http://www.qrz.com/p/testing.pl and click on the Technician License test. Sit with the wife and study the simple questions. We GIVE THEM AWAY! You don't have to learn anything but these actual test questions, multiple guess. Ham radio isn't about electronics any more. It's just a tested CB. Keep taking the tests until you've memorized most of the answers, then drop by your local radio shack to find out when the local ham club is giving the FCC test for Technician. This gets you a license for any ham band above 50 Mhz, especially the 2 meter 144-148 Mhz ham band. I'd bet you're boat is in range of at least 10 repeaters, some 2000' in the air! Join the local ham radio club to help support the repeaters' costs and improvements. We don't bite, no matter what you hear on CB, and you don't have to talk like a hick with a clothespin on your nose on the radio. A 50W 2 meter FM ham rig is about $150 and another $30 for a good VHF antenna. (No, you can't use your VHF marine antenna for 2 meters, so put that out of your mind. They are too far apart in frequency.) Getting a Technician ham license is so easy most ham's wives, who could care less about electronics/radio easily get them just to call the husband for food orders on the way home. You can also upgrade to General when you're ready to join the HF marine ham radio nets. The 5wpm Morse Code tests will shortly be abolished for good. The old farts at the American Radio Relay League, who have used code to keep very nice folks off ham radio for decades are all dying off of old age. Get a ham license! The walkie talkie on my desk can talk 70 miles up the road through the 147.300 repeater on the WCSC-TV tower N of Charleston. It's 1,850' straight up! |
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"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
: And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor? Hee hee....I knew someone who ran a pest control business in Greenville, SC, up in the SC mountains on marine channel 10 for many years. He had a 70' tower at his office quite high in altitude running 25W to the 25W mobiles. I guess FCC doesn't listen to marine radio much in the mountains....(c; |
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