On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:01:46 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Their incredible roster of deficiencies is primarily a function of their
openess, complete reporting, and the dynamics of this newsgroup. I doubt
that many now experienced long distance cruisers did as well on their first
long passage.

Some truth to that, however I continue to be concerned with the
unnecessary risks that have been taken. Given enough chances Murphy
and his laws will always catch up with you in some unfortunate way.

When you are crossing oceans there is no alternative but to cruise
around the clock for many days at a time. Learning to deal with the
sleep deprivation and fatigue is part of the game, not so with coastal
cruising. Bad judgement can start creeping up on you after an
extended time offshore.

"Wayne.B" wrote
Bad judgement can start creeping up on you after an
extended time offshore.

Seems to hit some of us like a ton of bricks after a few minutes on
usenet...

"Wayne.B" wrote

When you are crossing oceans there is no alternative but to cruise
around the clock for many days at a time. Learning to deal with the
sleep deprivation and fatigue is part of the game, not so with coastal
cruising. Bad judgement can start creeping up on you after an
extended time offshore.


But, the only way to learn to deal with those things is to do them. I urged
them to take on some extra hands for the trip and even located some
candidates that I knew but the elected to try it alone. This was very much
a training cruise for them and not a bad route actually. Far enough out to
experience all the conditions of an ocean passage but not so far as to not
have options if problems arose.

When I was flying, there was a constant tension between being conservative
and safe and gaining the experience to be ready for conditions that can come
up almost any time. The latter often required going out and doing things I
wouldn't want to make a habit of. I think this has been invaluable for them
and a lot less risky than things I see people doing all the time within
sight of land. The track they are following into the harbor now shows the
judgement I would expect of a very seasoned navigator even after a long
shorthanded trip.

I'll be headed out to meet them in a couple hours.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote

When you are crossing oceans there is no alternative but to cruise
around the clock for many days at a time. Learning to deal with the
sleep deprivation and fatigue is part of the game, not so with coastal
cruising. Bad judgement can start creeping up on you after an
extended time offshore.


But, the only way to learn to deal with those things is to do them. I
urged them to take on some extra hands for the trip and even located some
candidates that I knew but the elected to try it alone. This was very
much a training cruise for them and not a bad route actually. Far enough
out to experience all the conditions of an ocean passage but not so far as
to not have options if problems arose.

When I was flying, there was a constant tension between being conservative
and safe and gaining the experience to be ready for conditions that can
come up almost any time. The latter often required going out and doing
things I wouldn't want to make a habit of. I think this has been
invaluable for them and a lot less risky than things I see people doing
all the time within sight of land. The track they are following into the
harbor now shows the judgement I would expect of a very seasoned navigator
even after a long shorthanded trip.

I'll be headed out to meet them in a couple hours.

--
Roger Long


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Yo Captain Roger .. is the good ship Skip/Lydia coming in today Aug . 6,
2008?
I'm bummed... if it were tomorrow I could go out with you and meet the old
sea dog.

I have my fancy, got it at a yard sale, flies behind the Big A kite.. and my
just purchased
at another yard sale cheap flag ... .. and who knows what else..

If Skip gets delayed... I'm heading out tomorrow anyway .. so I will do the
welcome to S
Portland, here is your rain suit thing..

As for all the talk of arm chair sailors... I have been sailing all summer
in the Casco/to Boothbay/NH
region .. and the weather has SUCKED... So, the sailing has not been the
best.. but I am out there,
by myself .. with my Annapolis Book of Sailing in one hand and the sheet in
the other .....



Put the rail under the other day,, albeit for only a moment,, but the rail
set right at the water line for
a long reach from Sequin to R N 2Q Bell ... Close hauled.. rail down...
all the way.... by myself

YES

Maybe Skip and Captain Lydia will be delayed... the weather is awful..
Tell them to wait until
tomorrow.. then we can go out and give them a real welcome..

Maybe pass the word to the Centerboard/PYC/DeMillo's/ .. this could be the
big event of the summer.

I will even play my yard sale trumpet.. I am good at Anchor's Away.
hahahah

On Aug 5, 4:44*pm, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

You know? I find this thread very strange as it consists mainly of one
individual sailing down east and a multitude of others sitting at home
snipping at him.

Bruce-in-Bangkok


Hello Bruce:

If a guy goes into a crowed dive bar and whips out his winnie,
waggles it at everbody and yells........." HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT MY
WINNIE! " Ya might expect to get a little feed back.

When Skip blabs on with his dear diary logs in a place like this ya
might expect his word to be:
1) suported
2) criticized
3) ignored
4) questioned for aditoinal information
5) ______





Bob

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On Aug 5, 4:44*pm, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

You know? I find this thread very strange as it consists mainly of one
individual sailing down east and a multitude of others sitting at home
snipping at him.

Bruce-in-Bangkok


Hello Bruce:

If a guy goes into a crowed dive bar and whips out his winnie,
waggles it at everbody and yells........." HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT MY
WINNIE! " Ya might expect to get a little feed back.

When Skip blabs on with his dear diary logs in a place like this ya
might expect his word to be:
1) suported
2) criticized
3) ignored
4) questioned for aditoinal information
5) ______

Bob

Actually, I'd give your post a bit more credence if you were posting
it through SailMail but you are posting through:

Cellco Partnership DBA Verizon Wireless
OrgID: CLLC
Address: 180 Washington Valley Road
City: Bedminster
StateProv: NJ
PostalCode: 07039
Country: US

In other words you are sitting home and writing this while Skip is out
on the briny sailing.

To quote Teddy Roosevelt:

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere
critic. The man who actually does the work, even if roughly and
imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought
to be done."

Which pretty well expresses it all.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)