"Bob" wrote

Roger here ya go again trying to make this place in your immage.......
Give it up. I like it just the way it is so who will prevail?

No, just being ornery and griping. I've been assured on excellent authority
that that is an acceptable activity around here.

Some people gripe by saying, "You're a dufus." I gripe by saying, "You
would be less of a dufus if you posted something worthwhile."

Why is one better or worse than the other?

--
Roger Long

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:49:00 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

The fact that the latter generally comes from posters
who clearly are not cruising at all or are just puttering about locally in
trailer sailer class boats I find annoying.

You got me there..

Perhaps we could use a little more clarity in language than I've been using
here.

Criticism: (Example)

Jackstay posted that the squall was so hard that he had to winch in on his
roller furling Genoa line. That's a good way to break a furling gear. A
key to living happily with roller furling is to reef before the strains get
that great.

Judgment:

Jackstay's post proves that he is a total dufus who has no business going to
sea.

The former is always welcome and there is, indeed, no reason why the
responder needs to have more sea miles or experience that the OP.

The latter is all too common here and I find it especially irritating coming
from those for sitting home typing such stuff clearly takes precedence over
actual cruising. I believe a rigorous analysis would show that greater
experience correlates with a greater tendancy to respond in the critical
rather than the judgemental mode.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Perhaps we could use a little more clarity in language than I've been
using
here.

Criticism: (Example)

Jackstay posted that the squall was so hard that he had to winch in on his
roller furling Genoa line. That's a good way to break a furling gear. A
key to living happily with roller furling is to reef before the strains
get that great.

Judgment:

Jackstay's post proves that he is a total dufus who has no business going
to sea.

The former is always welcome and there is, indeed, no reason why the
responder needs to have more sea miles or experience that the OP.

The latter is all too common here and I find it especially irritating
coming from those for sitting home typing such stuff clearly takes
precedence over actual cruising. I believe a rigorous analysis would show
that greater experience correlates with a greater tendancy to respond in
the critical rather than the judgemental mode.

--
Roger Long

==
Jackstay, forestay, backstay .. all I want to know is when the weather will
change ..

Roger,, tell me the sun is coming out soon.. before the summer is over.

Please? I'm begging you ..

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:57:15 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Perhaps we could use a little more clarity in language than I've been using
here.

Criticism: (Example)

Jackstay posted that the squall was so hard that he had to winch in on his
roller furling Genoa line. That's a good way to break a furling gear. A
key to living happily with roller furling is to reef before the strains get
that great.

Judgment:

Jackstay's post proves that he is a total dufus who has no business going to
sea.

The former is always welcome and there is, indeed, no reason why the
responder needs to have more sea miles or experience that the OP.

The latter is all too common here and I find it especially irritating coming
from those for sitting home typing such stuff clearly takes precedence over
actual cruising. I believe a rigorous analysis would show that greater
experience correlates with a greater tendancy to respond in the critical
rather than the judgemental mode.

Yeah, but you are the head dufus.

Well, I'm glad we got that position clarified.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Well, I'm glad we got that position clarified.

--
Roger Long



Ummm... I don't think it needed clarification! LOL

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Aug 7, 12:57*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
...
Criticism:...
Judgment: ...

The former is always welcome and there is, indeed, no reason why the
responder needs to have more sea miles or experience that the OP.
...

Good. You had me confused with the non-stop miles in the last 10 days
thing. I gather that it was actually code for "slander is ugly and
unhelpful." Fair enough and an axiom of mine. Just to be clear, I'm
not against judgment as I know the term, I just find it offensive when
it is unconsidered or sinks to the level of simple name calling.

-- Tom.

On 2008-08-05 23:07:54 -0400, Bruce in Bangkok
said:

There is an old saying, supposedly about sailing on Chesapeake Bay:
"There are sailors who have been aground, there are sailors that are
going to go aground, and Damned Liars"

More usually these days, it's shortened to "those who have gone aground
and liars".

I have our depth alarm set at 5.5' so it doesn't annoy me so much.
Every once in a while, our knotmeter reads higher than the depth
sounder.

I suggest that everyone who has done any sailing to amount to anything
has made mistakes, and learned from them. People who have never made a
mistake are probably lying.

Hell, any day I'm out and don't make some small mistake or have
something break, I'm astounded. Have to repair a sail from last
Monday's trip home. On the way out on Friday, the GPS went out, so was
soldering for an hour or so. And something went weird with the bilge
pump -- not sure what finally fixed that.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On 2008-08-06 07:07:32 -0400, "Roger Long" said:

How far did you sail in the last 10 days?

Dang, Roger...

Could you include some of who you're responding to?

In the meantime, for us it was a quiet long weekend, only about 70-80 nm.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/