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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6 (or maybe another choice, the TohatsuMFS4BS)--the Tohatsu 4HP Makes The Final Cut.
On Apr 22, 6:31*am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Jay wrote: Suzuki 4-stroke for $600 delivered but I opted for the extra oomph of the 4hp Tohatsu and the 7-hour run time with the auxiliary tank. *I figure it'll be $300 more well spent in the long run. Good, let us know how it works out. Cheers, Marty xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Well, Marty, it didn't work out. This has been a joint adventure among three buddies. We take turns using the boat and sometimes go fishing in it together. After the dealer cordially, and in a very friendly and helpful tone, agreed to the $900 price my buddy Dee proposed for all of the equipment I stated in an earlier post, the dealer abruptly decided that the deal was too "involved" as he put it and backpedaled right out the back door. He apparently began to think it was too "involved" when Dee sent an email outlining all the details he had mutually agreed to on the telephone and asked the dealer to simply reply and confirm that he had all aspects of the deal correct. This apparently caused the cold realization of what he had promised to trigger a rapidly-advancing case of seller's remorse and he did the 180 on us. Needless to say, the link to that liar's business has been removed from my desktop and favorites. But the story doesn't end there. The other choice we had pondered, the Suzuki 2.5 hp, then reappeared and I contacted a very helpful and friendly Ray Jr. at The Boat Place in Florida (thanx Charles) and my $600 check for that motor delivered to the house is "in the mail" as the expression goes. BTW, Ray Jr. didn't have any problem with replying to the same type of email confirming the details of the purchase. Hmmmmm. Guess there are still some dealers left who aren't all blow and no show. Now I know that the Soozooky probably won't push us around the lake any more than a fast walk but hey, every dealer in this area wants a grand for it and the NADA used book on the 2007 is about what I'm paying for the 2008 new so I shouldn't have any problem recouping my money by selling it locally if it doesn't work out. And of course none of us has missed much boating fun by these little delays since the daily temps have been in the high 30's and even a fast-walk speed can put a wind chill factor on you that could take away from the pleasure of motoring across the lake. (The ice floes might present a problem too---lol). -Jay PS---Once we get the Suzuki and strap that powerhouse on, I'll offer a full report on how it works out. And if it doesn't, check for a hot deal on a Suzuki 2.5 on Ebay. LOL |
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6 (or maybe another choice, the Tohatsu MFS4BS)--theTohatsu 4HP Makes The Final Cut.
Jay wrote:
[sipped Jay's saga of disreputable dealers} PS---Once we get the Suzuki and strap that powerhouse on, I'll offer a full report on how it works out. And if it doesn't, check for a hot deal on a Suzuki 2.5 on Ebay. LOL Too bad about the Tohatsu, but I'm sure you'll fine the Suzuki moves you along just fine, great for trolling, easy on gas. I've used my Merc 2.2 and a backup on my 15' Springbok, it pushed me home just fine when the Johnson 60 conked. About 5 miles, took an hour, but beat the hell out of rowing. Cheers Marty |
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The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO of them,in tandem?
On Apr 25, 4:36*pm, Marty wrote: I've used my Merc
2.2 and a backup on my 15' Springbok, it pushed me home just fine when the Johnson 60 conked. *About 5 miles, took an hour, but beat the hell out of rowing. Cheers Marty Marty, anything beats the hell out of rowing especially if you're in the middle of a large reservoir and the wind comes up. lol -Jay I realize all of you are probably tired of all of these questions from the outboard rookie here but indulge me one more time. If a person strapped TWO of those Suzuki 2.5hp outboards (only 29 lbs. each) to the back of the boat, one on each side, what would be the effect? 5hp? Double the speed? Double the noise? Nothing? Just curious... -Jay |
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The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO of them, in tandem?
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:30:45 -0700 (PDT), Jay
wrote: On Apr 25, 4:36*pm, Marty wrote: I've used my Merc 2.2 and a backup on my 15' Springbok, it pushed me home just fine when the Johnson 60 conked. *About 5 miles, took an hour, but beat the hell out of rowing. Cheers Marty Marty, anything beats the hell out of rowing especially if you're in the middle of a large reservoir and the wind comes up. lol -Jay I realize all of you are probably tired of all of these questions from the outboard rookie here but indulge me one more time. If a person strapped TWO of those Suzuki 2.5hp outboards (only 29 lbs. each) to the back of the boat, one on each side, what would be the effect? 5hp? Double the speed? Double the noise? Nothing? Just curious... -Jay Well, it will be double the noise and approximately double the fuel consumption but perhaps not double the speed. You might "Ping" Roger as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the speed. Has to do with all kind of hull forms and hydrodynamics and too much of it will make your eyes cross. But why stop with two, three, or even four! I see a lot of boats here with a couple of 250 h.p. engines strapped on the tail. I wonder what the "per minute" cost is for a couple of 2 stroke 250 hp engines at full song is? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO of them, in tandem?
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:58:22 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: You might "Ping" Roger as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the speed. Has to do with all kind of hull forms and hydrodynamics and too much of it will make your eyes cross. Its very simple. Power required is proportional to the cube of the speed, and, [gets out the calculator that takes no prisoners], you get 1.26 times the speed. Mileage is inversely proportional to speed. That you can check for yourself, with your car. Casady |
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The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO ofthem, in tandem?
On Apr 26, 3:38*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote: Its very simple. Power required is proportional to the cube of the speed, and, [gets out the calculator that takes no prisoners], you get 1.26 times the speed. Casady Thanks Casady, since I'll probably get 4 mph with the one Suzuki, if I strapped on another, does that mean I reach a whopping FIVE mph? (1.26 x 4) At that speed I could probably pull my cat water skiing. lol -Jay (being silly) |
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The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO ofthem, in tandem?
Richard Casady wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:58:22 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: You might "Ping" Roger as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the speed. Has to do with all kind of hull forms and hydrodynamics and too much of it will make your eyes cross. Its very simple. Power required is proportional to the cube of the speed, and, [gets out the calculator that takes no prisoners], you get 1.26 times the speed. Mileage is inversely proportional to speed. That you can check for yourself, with your car. Casady ASSuming the props are pitched for a higher speed than you alreaady get? |
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The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO of them, in tandem?
Jay wrote:
If a person strapped TWO of those Suzuki 2.5hp outboards (only 29 lbs. each) to the back of the boat, one on each side, what would be the effect? 5hp? Double the speed? Double the noise? Nothing? In your case, not much. At 2.5 - 5.0 hp, you're dealing with a displacement hull. So the difference in those two hp's doesn't do much for speed (noise yes, fuel yes, speed no). But if you started with 10hp, which would almost plane (but not quite) your boat, doubling the hp to 20hp would make a huge difference in speed. That would be enought to switch from displacement speeds to planing speeds. Big difference. So everything matters. Weight, drag, hull shape, like that. But the biggest difference in hp/speed ratio is when the hp is enough to get the mass over the displacement/planning hump. Rick |
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The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO ofthem, in tandem?
On Apr 26, 5:15*am, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
I keep telling the guy, "call Roger". He don;t listen. Bruce-in-Bangkok Oh, he DO listen but he's just gathering alternate info from other sources. I'll get around to the head guru Roger soon. What's taking up my time is trying to figure why those power maniacs around you are strapping two of the big blasters to their boats. As you stated, "I see a lot of boats here with a couple of 250 h.p. engines strapped on the tail." Curious why they don't just strap ONE 500 hp motor on the back instead of two 250s if there's not an advantage. Curious.... -Jay (who listens........................................... ...........occasionally) |
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