On Feb 19, 8:36 am, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:03:46 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"



wrote:
It is obvious that change is coming to Cuba. The old Communists are
retiring. Soon,, who knows.

I've flown over Cuba a couple of times. It is a very beautiful island. And
all that warm, blue sea.

And those harbors! With no marina's!

I would love to sail to Havana. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

From what I've read, there have been boaters going to Cuba for years,
although it is illegal.

Soon it will be legal!

Viva la Cuba .. !!!

What a trip... down the coast, stop at some keys,, a little Key West and
then

Set the sails... we are heading to Havana!

They have Marinas. It is only illegal for US citizens to go there.

I had the opportunity to sail there last year for a scientific
conference but after I talked to someone who had, I realized that
almost all the money I spent would go into Castros pocket and be used
to further oppress his people. If your conscience allows you to
support a police state with your money,ok, but mine wont allow it.

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:03:46 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:

It is obvious that change is coming to Cuba. The old Communists are
retiring. Soon,, who knows.

I've flown over Cuba a couple of times. It is a very beautiful island.
And
all that warm, blue sea.

And those harbors! With no marina's!

I would love to sail to Havana. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

From what I've read, there have been boaters going to Cuba for years,
although it is illegal.

Soon it will be legal!

Viva la Cuba .. !!!

What a trip... down the coast, stop at some keys,, a little Key West and
then

Set the sails... we are heading to Havana!



They have Marinas. It is only illegal for US citizens to go there.




Actually, I think it's only illegal to spend money there, assuming you can
get a permit to go there of course.


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Then why can the DHS legally seize your boat in waters off of Long
Island if they simply claim you intended to sail to Cuba?



That's been going on for over 200 years. It's called civil forfieture were
the contraband is charged with the crime and seized. They'll take your boat
but you will never be charged. It all comes under Admiralty Law, and evil
institution used on land. Ever wonder why the gold fringe is around the
American flag in the courtroom? You are under admiralty law jurisdiction. We
need the fully informed jury amendment and juries must use their powers of
Jury Nullification to overcome oppressive government. Patriots unite!

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:15:23 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:03:46 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:

It is obvious that change is coming to Cuba. The old Communists are
retiring. Soon,, who knows.

I've flown over Cuba a couple of times. It is a very beautiful island.
And
all that warm, blue sea.

And those harbors! With no marina's!

I would love to sail to Havana. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

From what I've read, there have been boaters going to Cuba for years,
although it is illegal.

Soon it will be legal!

Viva la Cuba .. !!!

What a trip... down the coast, stop at some keys,, a little Key West and
then

Set the sails... we are heading to Havana!



They have Marinas. It is only illegal for US citizens to go there.




Actually, I think it's only illegal to spend money there, assuming you can
get a permit to go there of course.

Then why can the DHS legally seize your boat in waters off of Long
Island if they simply claim you intended to sail to Cuba?




I think they can legally seize your boat anywhere.. but I believe it is now
illegal for citizens to travel to Cuba. Thanks a lot Bush!

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:22:24 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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I think they can legally seize your boat anywhere.. but I believe it is
now
illegal for citizens to travel to Cuba. Thanks a lot Bush!

1. Wrong.
2. Wrong President too.

Despite what you Bush-haters may believe, U.S. history did not begin in
the
year 2000.


Never heard of enemy combatant have you Dave... Let's hope US history
doesn't end in 2008.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:22:24 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:15:23 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:03:46 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:

It is obvious that change is coming to Cuba. The old Communists are
retiring. Soon,, who knows.

I've flown over Cuba a couple of times. It is a very beautiful
island.
And
all that warm, blue sea.

And those harbors! With no marina's!

I would love to sail to Havana. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

From what I've read, there have been boaters going to Cuba for years,
although it is illegal.

Soon it will be legal!

Viva la Cuba .. !!!

What a trip... down the coast, stop at some keys,, a little Key West
and
then

Set the sails... we are heading to Havana!



They have Marinas. It is only illegal for US citizens to go there.




Actually, I think it's only illegal to spend money there, assuming you
can
get a permit to go there of course.

Then why can the DHS legally seize your boat in waters off of Long
Island if they simply claim you intended to sail to Cuba?




I think they can legally seize your boat anywhere.. but I believe it is
now
illegal for citizens to travel to Cuba. Thanks a lot Bush!

Can you restate this. It makes no sense as a reply to what I wrote.




Yes. I agree with you.

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What a trip... down the coast, stop at some keys,, a little Key
West


WOW! Look at the LAYERS () of quoted replies! That's gotta be a new
rec.boats RECORD!

On most clients, if you just highlight ONLY the part, as I've done here
tongue-in-cheek, before you hit the reply button, the client will only put
the statements you need, not the whole thread, into your reply.....making
it MUCH easier reading!

"Larry" wrote in message
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wrote in :

What a trip... down the coast, stop at some keys,, a little Key
West


WOW! Look at the LAYERS () of quoted replies! That's gotta be a new
rec.boats RECORD!

On most clients, if you just highlight ONLY the part, as I've done here
tongue-in-cheek, before you hit the reply button, the client will only put
the statements you need, not the whole thread, into your reply.....making
it MUCH easier reading!



Really? Wow... thanks for the new info!

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Clearly a new chapter in American history began in the year 2000.

Nope, way before that:

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enfor...rfeiture.shtml

Bush did not make any new laws, he only changed policy.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:51:53 -1000, "Anonymous"
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Clearly a new chapter in American history began in the year 2000.

Nope, way before that:

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enfor...rfeiture.shtml


That merely explains the concept of foreiture, and has links to a few
examples where it is used..

Bush did not make any new laws, he only changed policy.


Bzzzt.

Wrong.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040226-11.html



I stand corrected. Thanks for the link. Bush has got to be one of the worst
presidents ever. Along with destroying the republican party he has taken
america along with it. The repurcussions of his presidency will go on for a
decade or more. The next president will inherit a total mess. Thanks for
pointing out the loss of our freedoms, hopefully we can elect those whose
primary goal is to restore them.