Sir Thomas of Cannondale wrote:
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On 19 Feb 2008 13:26:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:00:05 -0500, said:

Let us know all about your trips to Cuba and how you managed to eat,
find lodging, and get around without spending any money, Dave.

Meanwhile, the US government has declared that they can seize your
boat in US waters if they even suspect you might be considering Cuba
as your destination. There is no due process involved. If your boat
seems like it is equipped to make it to Cuba, that's all they need.
You do not get your boat or other property back, either.
Ah, poor Charlie, victim of a repressive regime. Ever considered
emigrating
from CT to CA? Oh, wait a minute. What about Cuba as your permanent home?
That would solve the problem.
I look forward to sailing to Cuba. It's at the top of my list of
places I'd like to visit. The day may not be that far off when it
becomes possible. Fidel's brother is pretty old, and the Bush
administration is greased and ready to slide out of Washington. You
would realize that there was change in the air if your stinky smoking
habit didn't obscure it. :')



Count me in as a Cuba bound sailor... I cant' wait. Beautiful beaches, the
music, the food...

The Cuba issue is just one more reason our country SUCKS. We spend Billions
in China,
but if you live in Miami you can't visit Cuba? Dah?

Couple of days ago, our stupid president,,, the dumbest moron who has ever
held the
highest office in the US ... recogized Kosovo as a country!

Kosovo? An independent country?

The village idiot tells Kosovo it is now an independent country, no problem.

But 90 miles from Key West there is an island, big one,, Cuba .. and we
Americans can't visit?

Why? Tell me one reason it is ok to go spend money in communist Vietnam, a
country we actually
fought a war in,, and left with out asses kicked .. yet I can't take my F'n
sailboat to Cuba.

How about telling the village idiot that it isn't 1960. Yo,, George .. get
the F.. out! Go back to Texas
and get drunk. Take you little drunken daughters with you! And the drunken
dog.

When kids one hundred years from now study history, they will turn to the
chapter .. "The end of the United States"
The first sentence will start "Led by a corrupt, stupid, drunken, moron,
..... "





That you Wilbur?

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:53:42 -0800, Lloyd Bonafide wrote:


Count me out buddy. Cuba has had nuclear missiles aimed at the US for 45
years. The place would have to be carpet bombed by SAC before I would even
consider setting foot there.

I know, you were just a simple caveman who fell into a crevasse in a
glacier and froze solid...oh about the 1st of October 1963...until our
scientists found you and thawed you out last week...our modern ways must
frighten and confuse you...

On Feb 19, 7:22 pm, "mr.b" wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:53:42 -0800, Lloyd Bonafide wrote:
Count me out buddy. Cuba has had nuclear missiles aimed at the US for 45
years. The place would have to be carpet bombed by SAC before I would even
consider setting foot there.

I know, you were just a simple caveman who fell into a crevasse in a
glacier and froze solid...oh about the 1st of October 1963...until our
scientists found you and thawed you out last week...our modern ways must
frighten and confuse you...

For those of us who do not want to benefit the Cuban dictatorship by
sailing there, in order to be consistent we also have to be willing to
boycott Chinese products and Vietnamese. No problemo, I stopped
buying anything from Wal Mart when they went all Chinese all the
time. Chinese goods are so poorly made that even with the low prices
they actually cost you more because you have to replace them when they
break. Thus we have a double reason not to buy Chinese. I also
advocate that we all boycott the olympics this year. I strongly
advocate self determination for Taiwan. If you are in the market for
a computer, remember Lenovo is Chinese made.

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:29:34 -0800, ohara5.0 wrote:

On Feb 19, 7:22 pm, "mr.b" wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:53:42 -0800, Lloyd Bonafide wrote:
Count me out buddy. Cuba has had nuclear missiles aimed at the US for
45 years. The place would have to be carpet bombed by SAC before I
would even consider setting foot there.

I know, you were just a simple caveman who fell into a crevasse in a
glacier and froze solid...oh about the 1st of October 1963...until our
scientists found you and thawed you out last week...our modern ways must
frighten and confuse you...

For those of us who do not want to benefit the Cuban dictatorship by
sailing there, in order to be consistent we also have to be willing to
boycott Chinese products and Vietnamese. No problemo, I stopped buying
anything from Wal Mart when they went all Chinese all the time. Chinese
goods are so poorly made that even with the low prices they actually cost
you more because you have to replace them when they break. Thus we have a
double reason not to buy Chinese. I also advocate that we all boycott the
olympics this year. I strongly advocate self determination for Taiwan.
If you are in the market for a computer, remember Lenovo is Chinese made.

fair enough, but don't blame the Chinese...after all, they're playing by
rules many in your country like...i.e., no unions, low wages, no benefits,
no health care, as few holidays as possible, no pensions etc... BTW I feel
you about MallWart, but how do you feel about the big 3? Still buying
"domestic"? I was being harassed on the highway the other day by some
jackass in a big Dodge pickup who had one of those moronic bumper stickers
that said "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign" Apparently he had a
pickle up his ass about my 18 year old Honda Accord...that was built in
Tennessee...by Americans...

but to the point, some of you Americans are in the most desperate need for
travel...I mean how long can anyone stare at their belly button and still
be AAMAAAZZEDDD at its grandeur!!!!

On 2008-02-19 08:03:46 -0500, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
said:

It is obvious that change is coming to Cuba. The old Communists are
retiring. Soon,, who knows.

Don't count on it. There are younger "communists" willing to do what it
takes to continue things as they are.

Personally, the idea of US Presidents and legislatures doing the same
thing for 40 years and expecting a different outcome.... well, that's
one definition for insanity. The Communist regime would have dissolved
in short order without the embargo holding it up.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Jere Lull wrote:

Personally, the idea of US Presidents and legislatures doing the same
thing for 40 years and expecting a different outcome.... well, that's
one definition for insanity. The Communist regime would have dissolved
in short order without the embargo holding it up.


Exactly Jere, free trade would bring prosperity, prosperity brings
education, education brings democracy. Embargo's bring oppression and
totalitarianism.

Cheers
Marty

On 2008-02-19 22:34:12 -0500, WaIIy said:

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:02:11 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

Personally, the idea of US Presidents and legislatures doing the same
thing for 40 years and expecting a different outcome.... well, that's
one definition for insanity. The Communist regime would have dissolved
in short order without the embargo holding it up.

Too bad you aren't in charge, everything would be fine with Cuba.

No way I'd take the job. Politicians don't even have the ethics of
lawyers. I have *some* integrity. ;-)

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Feb 19, 8:36 am, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:03:46 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"



wrote:
It is obvious that change is coming to Cuba. The old Communists are
retiring. Soon,, who knows.

I've flown over Cuba a couple of times. It is a very beautiful island. And
all that warm, blue sea.

And those harbors! With no marina's!

I would love to sail to Havana. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

From what I've read, there have been boaters going to Cuba for years,
although it is illegal.

Soon it will be legal!

Viva la Cuba .. !!!

What a trip... down the coast, stop at some keys,, a little Key West and
then

Set the sails... we are heading to Havana!

They have Marinas. It is only illegal for US citizens to go there.

I had the opportunity to sail there last year for a scientific
conference but after I talked to someone who had, I realized that
almost all the money I spent would go into Castros pocket and be used
to further oppress his people. If your conscience allows you to
support a police state with your money,ok, but mine wont allow it.

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I had the opportunity to sail there last year for a scientific
conference but after I talked to someone who had, I realized that
almost all the money I spent would go into Castros pocket and be used
to further oppress his people. If your conscience allows you to
support a police state with your money,ok, but mine wont allow it.


The only problem is... every time you shop at Wally-Mart and buy Chinese
made goods you're doing exactly the same thing.
I'm thinking people should rush down there for a holiday before the place
gets overrun and ruined by hordes of Americans.

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On Feb 19, 8:36 am, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:03:46 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"



wrote:
It is obvious that change is coming to Cuba. The old Communists are
retiring. Soon,, who knows.

I've flown over Cuba a couple of times. It is a very beautiful island.
And
all that warm, blue sea.

And those harbors! With no marina's!

I would love to sail to Havana. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

From what I've read, there have been boaters going to Cuba for years,
although it is illegal.

Soon it will be legal!

Viva la Cuba .. !!!

What a trip... down the coast, stop at some keys,, a little Key West and
then

Set the sails... we are heading to Havana!

They have Marinas. It is only illegal for US citizens to go there.

I had the opportunity to sail there last year for a scientific
conference but after I talked to someone who had, I realized that
almost all the money I spent would go into Castros pocket and be used
to further oppress his people. If your conscience allows you to
support a police state with your money,ok, but mine wont allow it.

Hello????? What do you think all that money that Walmart spends for all the
junk it sells
that is MADE IN CHINA goes toward ....

You've got to be kidding? China? Hello .... ????????? Communist
China????????????

This is total bull****,, cat****,,, rat****....

Open your closet .. what is handing on the racks ...
MADE IN CHINA, MADE IN VIETNAM ..

YA GOT ANY CLOTHES MADE IN CUBA ?????

Wake up!