Capt. JG wrote:

"cavalamb himself" wrote in message
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I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for
lubbers).

Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland?

I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state,
down to Houston (texas).


I've googled up some boat movers - but -

what to look for?
what to watch out for?

What extra expenses to plan on?

Is there a better way?



There isn't really... the west coast, as others have said, or maybe it was
you, can be a bummer in the wrong conditions. On the other hand, you'll be
headed south, and if you pick your weather window properly, getting her to
SF or SD shouldn't be a big deal. The rest of the trip is long also of
course, and there are weather issues beyond Mexico, but the weather (with a
good window) would be fine. I took a slightly large boat from SF to Cabo
following the Baha-Haha a number of years ago (they leave
late-Oct/early-Nov), and we didn't even get a light rain until the last
night. The weather was perfect and we made a steady 5kts VMG day in and day
out. Of course, if you're at all in a rush, then overland is better time and
logistically speaking.

If you decide to sail her, let me know. I'd possibly be interested in
hitching a ride.



Hey!
Now that might lean the equasion in favor of sailing.

Joe wrote:

On Feb 8, 12:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote:

I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for
lubbers).

Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland?

I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state,
down to Houston (texas).

I've googled up some boat movers - but -

what to look for?
what to watch out for?

What extra expenses to plan on?

Is there a better way?


Let me know what you find out on trucking rates and size restrictions
please. I've got my eye on a 47 ft steel hull in that general area. I
know I'd have to cut off the wheelhouse but that's easy enough. I'm
interested in height restrictions more than anything.

I do like the ideal of sailing south to somewhere like San Diego then
putting it on a truck to Houston. Where are you going to keep it here
in Houston?

Joe

Golly Joe, I haven't had a chance to even look yet.

Do you have any recommendations?

Other than dinging the net for marinas in the area,
which returned more choices that I can possibly run down.
Dorothy says Corpus is "out" - dunno why but won't argue.

I'm leaning towards the Seabrook area.
Clear Lake was a lot more interesting when all we had to consider
was the C-18. 3 foot draft verses 5 feet.
But it seems Clear Lake gets kinda think at times.

Richard

Joe wrote:
On Feb 8, 8:41 pm, cavalamb himself wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Feb 8, 12:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote:

I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for
lubbers).

Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland?

I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state,
down to Houston (texas).

I've googled up some boat movers - but -

what to look for?
what to watch out for?

What extra expenses to plan on?

Is there a better way?

Let me know what you find out on trucking rates and size restrictions
please. I've got my eye on a 47 ft steel hull in that general area. I
know I'd have to cut off the wheelhouse but that's easy enough. I'm
interested in height restrictions more than anything.

I do like the ideal of sailing south to somewhere like San Diego then
putting it on a truck to Houston. Where are you going to keep it here
in Houston?

Joe

Golly Joe, I haven't had a chance to even look yet.

Do you have any recommendations?

Other than dinging the net for marinas in the area,
which returned more choices that I can possibly run down.
Dorothy says Corpus is "out" - dunno why but won't argue.

I'm leaning towards the Seabrook area.
Clear Lake was a lot more interesting when all we had to consider
was the C-18. 3 foot draft verses 5 feet.
But it seems Clear Lake gets kinda think at times.

Richard- Hide quoted text -

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What do you want, and what do you want to pay?

Joe


Live aboard.

Clean restrooms and showers.

Laundry and resturants near - within walking distance.

High speed net at the pier (Dorothy's work)

Friendly neighbors.

I'd happily pay the going rate for all that...


Richard

cavalamb himself wrote:
RichH wrote:
On Feb 8, 1:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote:

I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for
lubbers).

Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland?

I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state,
down to Houston (texas).

I've googled up some boat movers - but -

what to look for?

Maximum height and width - varies by trailer configuration .... if
oversize (as it sits on a trailer) may cost double If an escort
vehicle (with 'pole') has to be used ... sometimes you have to
remove bow pulpits, etc. to be less than the 'on the trailer'
required clearances. The clearances arent usually a problem when on
Interstate Highways .... its all the damn small roads at the origin
and the destination that have the most clearance restrictions, etc.



Beam is easy - 12'11"

18,000 pounds displacement.

The mast is probably about 50 feet long!?!

Height - I'd have to guesstimate - 5' draft + 6'6 headroom + ?
probably 15 or 16 feet from bottom of keel to the top of the arch.
Add 3 or 4 feet for the trailer and we are looking at nearly 20 feet
height!

Well, Hunter shipped the thing up here (from Florida!) some how!



what to watch out for?

Reputation of the carrier, that the 'carrier' doesnt 'sub-let' to
other carriers, insurance - yours and theirs.

Didn't know about the sub-let question.
Thanks, Rich.


What extra expenses to plan on?

hauling, mast removal and prep. including 'complete winterizing' ..
especially if the route is going 'high' through the mountains. Prep
includes mast mounting/bubble-wrapping to the trailer (yard charges)
so the transport doesnt rub the anodizing off the mast, sealing the
boat from road grime (at windspeeds of 70+mph for days on end), etc.
etc.



Is there a better way?


Sail it around if you have the time.

Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per
mile charges.
That looks like about 1500 miles straight across verses 2300 from
Washington. But all the other fixed expenses would still apply.


As for the Sail-It option:

I was told by the people at the marina up there that the Columbia
River
is navigable (via locks) all the way to the Pacific (Astoria, Oregon).
But I haven't been able to confirm that yet.
I haven't got the charts yet.
I was hoping someone here on the list might know?


I have the time to sail it around.
But not that much blue water experience.
I've been out in the Gulf a few times is all.
This would be - by far - my longest voyage so far.

But then - that was the idea after all - go cruise for a while...

Well, we'll know more in just a few weeks.

Faced with a similar problem when we bought a 50-foot yacht in Croatia (we
live in Scotland) a few years ago, we looked at the distance (about the same
as UK-US) and the problems of crewing right round Italy and Spain,
air-fares, lack of available insurance in the winter months, cost of fuel,
difficulty of crew arrangements etc., etc., and decided to move the boat
overland through Europe and across the Channel

As Croatia was still classed as a "war zone", and no haulage firm would go
there, we had to sail her through the Adriatic a short distance to Slovenia,
where a German trucking company picked her up and delivered her to Scotland
in 3 days, arriving Christmas Eve!

Although expensive, we reckoned we saved around £3000 and 4-5 weeks time.

Go for it! A 38-footer is small fry compared to our yacht, and she presented
no problems to the right contractor with the right equipent.

Dennis.

On Feb 8, 7:32*am, cavalamb himself wrote:
RichH wrote:
On Feb 8, 1:40 am, cavalamb himself wrote:

I've never done this before, so I feel pretty clewless (clueless for
lubbers).

Has anybody had to move a fairly big boat overland?

I need to move a Hunter 38 - in Washington state,
down to Houston (texas).

I've googled up some boat movers - but -

what to look for?

Maximum height and width - varies by trailer configuration .... if
oversize (as it sits on a trailer) may cost double If an escort
vehicle (with 'pole') has to be used ... *sometimes you have to remove
bow pulpits, etc. to be less than the 'on the trailer' required
clearances. *The clearances arent usually a problem when on Interstate
Highways .... its all the damn small roads at the origin and the
destination that have the most clearance restrictions, etc.

Beam is easy - 12'11"

18,000 pounds displacement.

The mast is probably about 50 feet long!?!

Height - I'd have to guesstimate - 5' draft + 6'6 headroom + ?
probably 15 or 16 feet from bottom of keel to the top of the arch.
Add 3 or 4 feet for the trailer and we are looking at nearly 20 feet height!

Well, Hunter shipped the thing up here (from Florida!) some how!



what to watch out for?

Reputation of the carrier, *that the 'carrier' doesnt 'sub-let' to
other carriers, insurance - yours and theirs.

Didn't know about the sub-let question.
Thanks, Rich.

What extra expenses to plan on?

hauling, mast removal and prep. including 'complete winterizing' ..
especially if the route is going 'high' through the mountains. * Prep
includes mast mounting/bubble-wrapping to the trailer (yard charges)
so the transport doesnt rub the anodizing off the mast, sealing the
boat from road grime (at windspeeds of 70+mph for days on end), etc.
etc.
Is there a better way? *

Sail it around if you have the time.

Or sail it to So. Cal and truck from there ... less *total* $$$ per mile
charges.
That looks like about 1500 miles straight across verses 2300 from
Washington. *But all the other fixed expenses would still apply.

As for the Sail-It option:

I was told by the people at the marina up there that the Columbia River
is navigable (via locks) all the way to the Pacific (Astoria, Oregon).
But I haven't been able to confirm that yet.
I haven't got the charts yet.
I was hoping someone here on the list might know?

I have the time to sail it around.
But not that much blue water experience.
I've been out in the Gulf a few times is all.
This would be - by far - my longest voyage so far.

But then - that was the idea after all - go cruise for a while...

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If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it.
Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the
charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so
it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it.

"Roger Long" wrote in message
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patgiron" wrote

If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it.
Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the
charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so
it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it.

Sure, no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat
and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. EPIRB's now
provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. Modern radios
are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get
in over their heads. The boat isn't costing you much. If you get a
little seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red
button on DSC radio and wait for the chopper.

People do it all the time.

--
Roger Long


I think he said "hiring a captain...."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Feb 9, 3:40*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
patgiron" wrote

Sure, *no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat
and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. *EPIRB's now
provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. * Modern radios
are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get in
over their heads. *The boat isn't costing you much. *If you get a little
seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red button on
DSC radio and wait for the chopper.

People do it all the time.
Roger Long

HI Roger :

Hummm let me see... Yes two boats do come to mind: 1) RedClown and
Sweating Pig

I am a devout conservitive. HIRE a LOCAL PNW skipper.

Bob

"cavalamb himself" wrote in message
...
Roger Long wrote:

patgiron" wrote


If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it.
Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the
charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so
it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it.


Sure, no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat
and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. EPIRB's now
provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. Modern radios
are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get
in over their heads. The boat isn't costing you much. If you get a
little seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red
button on DSC radio and wait for the chopper.

People do it all the time.

--
Roger Long






I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and
irreplacable property.

And I pretty well know my limits at sea.

We'll truck her down.

I'll have about 10% of her value invested then - not much by rich man
standards maybe.

And I'm getting a lot more boat for the money than I expected to buy.

That doesn't make her disposable...



Richard


Darn... thought I might get a ride south... definitely better than the other
direction!


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Roger Long wrote:

patgiron" wrote


If you love to sail and have time to cruise. I would just do it.
Hiring a captain to take you would be alot less than all of the
charges for over the road. I do not have Pacific Ocean expirence, so
it is just a thought. If you love sailing like I do just do it.


Sure, no reason to let the fact that it's an unknown and unfamiliar boat
and you have very little offshore experience hold you back. EPIRB's now
provide your exact location, GPS makes navigation a snap. Modern radios
are very good and the taxpayers very tolerant of rescuing sailors who get in
over their heads. The boat isn't costing you much. If you get a little
seasick or decide it's not the lifestyle for you, just hit the red button on
DSC radio and wait for the chopper.

People do it all the time.

--
Roger Long






I'm not rich enough to have that casual an attitude towards valuable and
irreplacable property.

And I pretty well know my limits at sea.

We'll truck her down.

I'll have about 10% of her value invested then - not much by rich man
standards maybe.

And I'm getting a lot more boat for the money than I expected to buy.

That doesn't make her disposable...



Richard

On Feb 9, 8:19*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Bob" wrote

Hummm let me see... Yes two boats do come to mind: 1) RedClown and Sweating
Pig

Letting the exceedingly poor taste pass, I wasn't referring to either of
those boats.



Well, sombody has to take up the slack since Willburr is MIA.



Even the best found vessel and most experienced crew can come to grief.


Agreed........

That's the nature of the sea. *


DIsagree. Thats the nature of ill prepared operators.


Red Cloud had three major failures, engine,
steering, and hull integrity with many oil rigs to leeward. *That's not the
kind of situation I'm talking about.


ANd how did an "experinced" operator get in such a fix. That just
doesnt all happen at once. Its a cascade of comedy.



Captains are another issue and no guarantee of anything.


NOt sure what you mean by that. But in my book the captain on a small
boat is THE issue.

Tell ya what, when you see my face on tv and describe as "terrifed to
get into the water" yall can throw rubber chickens at me too.

Bob