On Feb 7, 7:52 pm, Larry wrote:
9/11/2001 was an INSIDE job. Those core colums in WTC 1, 2 AND SEVEN
were cut with THERMATE and remained at thousands of degrees HOTTER than
the best burning kerosene jet fuel for WEEKS AND WEEKS after the
controlled demolition which brought down the ...

I just know I'm going to regret this and I apologize ahead of time for
my muddled thinking -- I'm fighting the flue. However, you can make
pretty decent thermite by mixing roughly equal parts of aluminum and
steel. So, how would you be able to tell that the thermite that you
believe took down the towers wasn't just the result of ramming an
aluminum plane into a steel building? In either case you'd expect a
really hot fire and a lot of molten metal... I think you're way off
base here.

-- Tom.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:20:59 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I just know I'm going to regret this and I apologize ahead of time for
my muddled thinking -- I'm fighting the flue. However, you can make
pretty decxent thermite by mixing roughly equal parts of aluminum and
steel.

No you don't. The thermite reaction consists of a iron oxide oxidiser
which reacts with aluminum and burns it to alumina. The energy
liberated gives you molten iron at white heat. Used for welding, and
in bomblets for incendary cluster bombs, such as the ones used to burn
japanese cities in WWII.

Iron oxide and aluminum give you molten iron and aluminum oxide.

Casady

" wrote in news:01e8be29-d187-
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So, how would you be able to tell that the thermite that you
believe took down the towers wasn't just the result of ramming an
aluminum plane into a steel building?

That's very simple. Ask the people who were thrown about and injured
when the BASEMENT SEVERAL FLOORS UNDERGROUND EXPLODED UNDERNEATH THEM!
There are several movies out with real survivors in them who were tower
employees, firemen in their firestation reporting the multiple
explosions as the thermate went off throughout the structure, "Boom -
Boom - Boom - Boom!" We are talking about nearly an hour after the
planes, airliners reported by over 300 people in Brooklyn as they came
in but conveniently ignored by the press, that had NO WINDOWS and a BLUE
LOGO UNDER THE PILOT'S WINDOW, not on the tail where airliners always
put their spam. Do a frame by frame of several videos taken when plane
2 hit and look UNDER the plane. Now ride by the airport and see if
there is anything "hanging under" any airplane at the airport, a long
cylindrical object. No? Hmm...another mystery. The airplanes were
very dark in color. It's plainly visible on the video against the blue
sky. AIRLINERS ARE ALWAYS PAINTED IN BRIGHT COLORS OR POLISHED ALUMINUM
WITH HUGE SIGNS DOWN THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THEM! These planes were
painted dark colors, grey or black. Go see for yourselves, just before
it enters the building! Look at many videos so we don't have to have
the stupid argument "it's because of the angle of the camera". They all
show a DARK PLANE WITH NO HUGE BILLBOARD SIGNAGE. Duh...
http://911review.org/Wiki/2087-op1.jpg

Dispite the government's total lack of any kind of investigation,
whatsoever, sealing the site to RETRIEVE EVIDENCE like any other
investigation they do, many organizations have from everything
available. Look very closely at this website and try not to remember
what your government propagandists have brainwashed you with, over and
over on that damned TV in your living room:
http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml
Go through the links to many other pictures of UA planes.
If 9-11 WASN'T and inside job, how did the propaganda arms of the US
news media, who did NO INVESTIGATING OF THEIR OWN curiously, have fake
plane pictures already for airing on 9-11 almost in realtime? The
pictures are faked and the website shows you how!


Here is a building that pancake collapsed, as we were told happened by
the government liars:
http://911.yweb.sk/images/wtc/pancake_collapse.png
Notice how the floors WEREN'T pulverized into pieces smaller than your
fist? Notice the floors STACK themselves up like records on an old
phonograph? Notice how little dust debris, compared to a building take
out by demolition in a matter of seconds, like WTC 1, 2 and don't forget
SEVEN! See any pancaked floors, whatsoever, in this picture?
http://www.debunking911.com/b7debris.jpg
No, you see buildings that suffered multiple EXPLOSIONS, just like the
cops and firefighters reported on their radios before they died.

Look at these guys getting ready to blast down a building:
http://media.portland.indymedia.org/.../07/343155.jpg
Notice how they put the thermate explosives at a 45 degree angle to cut
through the beams so the beams slide down onto themselves just off to
the side...bringing the BUILDING STRAIGHT DOWN JUST LIKE ALL THREE WTC
BUILDINGS?

Now, none of this is Larry's paranoia. It is the results of very
careful research with an amazing amount of digital image processing and
evaluation that cost millions. Stop with the stupid childish attacks on
the messenger and OPEN UP GOOGLE AND SEE FOR YOURSELVES! Take off those
government blinders and open your window. They botched it! They
botched Gulf of Tonkin, too, as well as Pearl Harbor, leaving a paper
trail of events. 9-11 wasn't a new type of operation! Throughout
history governments have used false flag ops to stir up the stupid
public sheeple into a fervor for wars after wars, exactly what the
central bankers want...sustainable wars. The government's interest in
wars is about population control, the same as it has been for millenia.
It has always been an efficient method of controlling the lower masses
by sending them off to be killed, en masse, in some stupid war over
anything that angers them. All you do is convince them they have been
attacked.

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/collapse/index.html

After your analysis of the evidence about 9/11.....Might I suggest you
take a look at something much more dangerous to you, NOW and in the
future. Len Horowitz, an anti-drug cartel activist for decades, has a
very interesting new movie posted on YouTube in 16 parts. It's called
"In Lies We Trust" and is FULLY DOCUMENTED with extensive research. If
you think I'm crazy about the statements above concerning "population
control", the men behind the curtains have a new weapon now that saves
them the mess war creates repairing infrastructure! You simply kill off
the lower classes with man-made biology that doesn't explode buildings,
bridges, etc. This war has been going on around us for years! Ever
notice how people that NEVER go to a doctor, like me, rarely are sick?
Ever notice your hypocondriac aunt, who lives to see her doctor, has
cancer, leukemia, diabetes and a host of other diseases that always
require injections, chemotherapy, massive doses of drugs....all at
maximum profits, of course. Here, again, form your own opinion and
don't listen or hack away at me:
http://youtube.com/results?
search_query=Len+Horowitz&search_type=&search=Sear ch

put the lines together or use:
http://tinyurl.com/348don

You are, of course, free to simply ignore every nutcase like me who is
convinced we are being lied to by the Evil Empire we have no choice to
vote for...or against. But, shouldn't we at least consider the
possibility, rather than sticking our heads in the sand and just bending
over for whatever we are fed, like the sheeple on 1984?

George Orwell had the date wrong....

On 2008-02-08 00:52:16 -0500, Larry said:

Jere Lull wrote in news:2008020723023575249-
jerelull@maccom:

It was NOT an "inside job". No way, no how, no possibility.

Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away ...

As I said, I have no other way to persuade you -- or anyone.

I can't prove negatives. I won't even try.

That said, if we meet, we might have an interesting afternoon
discussing the subject knowing that neither of us is likely to be
dissuaded from our beliefs/understandings, but having a fun time in the
process, as you bring up some topics I'd love to try to demolish and
you strike me as a "fair" debater (not attacking your opponent, but
debating the issue(s) you see).

I bear you absolutely no ill will, and choose not to debate your points
here because I could make a mistake that could hurt our online
friendship.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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Larry wrote:

9/11/2001 was an INSIDE job. Those core colums in WTC 1, 2 AND SEVEN
were cut with THERMATE and remained at thousands of degrees HOTTER than
the best burning kerosene jet fuel for WEEKS AND WEEKS after the
controlled demolition which brought down the ONLY STEEL-REINFORCED
BUILDINGS EVER TO BE BROUGHT DOWN BY A FIRE...all in one day...and non
since.

Lordy Larry, I hope your not using Dr. Steve Jones as a "Source" for your
Thermate, evidence.... 'cause if your are, you best look into his
background, and credentials..... This guy wouldn't know the difference
between Thermate, or Thermite, if it came up and bit him in the ASS,
which it did, and got him fired, from his Teaching position ant BYU. for
Crying out Loud, he WAS, a Physicist, and not a really good one at that,
but he has absolutely NO expertise in Chemistry, and especially
NitroOrganic, ExoThermic, the uses of Energetic Materials, or Demolition
by Energetic Materials. He was a looser at BYU, and has fallen even
farther down the "Idiot Hill" since he was let go. Come on, give the
world, a break......

--
Bruce in alaska
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Larry ----
Its been confirmed now by several universities that foaming at the
mouth liberalism that invokes silly conspiracy theories, chest
beating, etc. ... is simply a genetic defect. Your body is probably
being consumed by Testosterone overcoming your Oxytocin.
If you're into substantive discussions on politics or religion, etc. I
invite you to continue ... otherwise I suggest some genetic therapy
before you blowout one of your cerebral arteries.

Doesnt take much heat for structural steel to lose its strength
properties .... the rag-heads were absolutely brilliant to see the
vulnerabilities of a shell supported structure as the WTC ... all the
'external' structure didnt have any concrete cladding, thus very
vulnerable to heat distortion. Why steel framed buildings dont fall in
fires is that the steel is clad in very thick concrete ... to allow up
to hours of fire before the heat is great enough to soften the steel.
Noone stores thousands of gallons of jet fuel in these buildings so
the 'risk' isnt great. Dont forget that Osama's father owned one of
the largest structural engineering companies in the eastern
hemisphere ... that make any connection for you?

Oh BTW, you forgot to include Haliburton and Saddam Hussein, etc. in
your rant.
grin

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:52:16 +0000, Larry wrote:

Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away the
lack of a huge airplane full of people, seats, luggage, titanium alloy
unburnable massive 6-ton engines that flew into the Pentagram and simply
vanished?

Titanium unburnable? It burns so well that they use it as a fuel in
fireworks. They used it as fuel in flashbulbs. You can light a fine
shaving with a match. All metals will burn, but some are harder to
light. In a good jet fuel fire the aluminum parts of the plane will
burn.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:52:16 +0000, Larry wrote:

Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away the
lack of a huge airplane full of people, seats, luggage, titanium alloy
unburnable massive 6-ton engines that flew into the Pentagram and simply
vanished?

Titanium unburnable? It burns so well that they use it as a fuel in
fireworks. They used it as fuel in flashbulbs. You can light a fine
shaving with a match. All metals will burn, but some are harder to
light. In a good jet fuel fire the aluminum parts of the plane will
burn.


Indeed, for a really nice aluminum fire, recall the HMS Sheffield,
during the Falklands War.

One of the coolest things I've ever seen was an old LawnBoy lawnmower
burning up, that was back when they made the decks out of magnesium.

Cheers
Marty

(Richard Casady) wrote in
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:52:16 +0000, Larry wrote:

Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away
the
lack of a huge airplane full of people, seats, luggage, titanium alloy
unburnable massive 6-ton engines that flew into the Pentagram and
simply
vanished?

Titanium unburnable? It burns so well that they use it as a fuel in
fireworks. They used it as fuel in flashbulbs. You can light a fine
shaving with a match. All metals will burn, but some are harder to
light. In a good jet fuel fire the aluminum parts of the plane will
burn.

Casady


Titanium is what the ENGINE turbines are made of. It melts at 3,034
degrees F and boils at 5,949 degrees F. It's used for many really high
temperature engine parts in jet engines and industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium

Look at the steerable nozzle on a military jet. That's made of titanium
BECAUSE titanium stays strong way past the hottest temperature a jet can
produce. It's also very light weight, another plus.

Kerosene (jet fuel) burns at perfect mix about 1800F:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
That's a blue hot flame with NO SMOKE inside a turbine engine.

However, notice all the jet fuel burning inside buildings WITHOUT MUCH
OXYGEN burns well below that, producing huge quantities of carbon black
from lack of oxygen. In open air, not inside oxygen starved buildings,
jet fuel burns about 400-500F. Inside burning buildings it's less than
400F.

Question - Now armed with correct information, how did two 6 ton jet
engine simply vaporize all those huge titanium engine parts by burning
jet fuel at 400F, far below even their melting point of 3,034 degrees F?
Just because the government says it's so, doesn't make it so. A certain
amount of common sense and simple chemistry from high school should make
it apparent this is just another part of the overall LIES.

Same nonsense for Flight 93 in PA:
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/93crash3.jpg
See any airplane? See any engines, seats, luggage, body parts, BURNED
STUFF? Looks like someone's farm trash dump?

Look at these OTHER jet crash pictures and compare them with the
Pentagram and Flight 93 pictures:
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/
They span 50 years of air disasters. Notice how, no matter how they
crash, they STILL look like AIRPLANES, not garbage dumps? No matter how
burned they are, there are STILL clearly visible airplane parts, seats,
luggage, body parts, all kinds of stuff.

Why not in TWO crashes of 9/11/2001? Is it because the airliners were
never there??

Here's a great Pentagram website with new pictures I'd never seen before
at the crash time and the aftermath, very well documented. Take a look:
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

Again...no airplane, no airplane parts, no body parts even the rescue
dogs found none, no luggage, no fireproof seats, no 6 ton jet
engines.....only a Global Hawk wheel and engine rotors. Look at the
global hawk pictures and compare with the EXACT SAME WHEEL from the
Pentagram! Can they blind everyone with bull****?

Jere Lull wrote:


It was NOT an "inside job". No way, no how, no possibility.

If that doesn't sway you, that's a shame, as I have absolute certainty
and no other way to persuade you.


Well Jere, Larry could start by reading
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html



Oh hang on a sec, I've just been informed by reliable sources that
Popular Mechanics actually engineered the controlled demolition and are
part of the conspiracy. ;-O


Cheers
Marty