"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:51:23 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

"Law school graduates receive the degree of juris doctor (J.D.) as the
first professional degree. Advanced law degrees may be desirable for
those planning to specialize, research, or teach. Some law students
pursue joint degree programs, which usually require an additional
semester or year of study. Joint degree programs are offered in a
number
of areas, including law and business administration or public
administration."

You're a J.D. Technically a doctor of law and not a lawyer. The
definition of a lawyer is this:

law.yer \"lÕ-y?r\ n : one who conducts lawsuits for clients or advises
as to legal rights and obligations in other matters - law.yer.ly adj

"To practice law in the courts of any State or other jurisdiction, a
person must be licensed, or admitted to its bar, under rules
established
by the jurisdiction's highest court." -- from the same link above.

So, by definition, unless you have passed a bar exam you are NOT a
lawyer. Try to find a flaw in my logic. I bet you are unable to do so.

Where do you see the words "bar examination" in your little Googled
quote?
You seem to have made an unwarranted assumption. Now what could that
assumption be? Can ya figure it out?

It says it right up there in the quote "To practice law in the courts of
any State or other jurisdiction, a person must be licensed (you have
one, your J.D), or admitted to it's bar (you can't be admitted to it's
bar without passing the bar)"

I guess it's that little word "or"??

Hey I have a legal question you might know. If a lawyer gets tried and
convicted for conspiracy, bribery and witness tampering and gets
probation and a fine and community service and the community service is
as a legal consultant, is that legal if his license to practice law in
the state has also been suspended?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

You seem to have made an unwarranted assumption. Now what could that
assumption be? Can ya figure it out?

It says it right up there in the quote "To practice law in the courts
of
any State or other jurisdiction, a person must be licensed (you have
one, your J.D), or admitted to it's bar (you can't be admitted to it's
bar without passing the bar)"

I guess it's that little word "or"??

No, Wilbur. A J.D. isn't a license to do anything.

But you've made the same assumption again.

Another hint: ever hear the term "begging the question?"

Class....?


Are you trying to say you're exempt because you don't practice law in
the courts? What are you going to do if you make a mistake and somebody
hauls you into court? Hire a lawyer?

It has always intrigued me that officially if must be a hardcopy and a PDF
on several hard-drives isn't adequate. Anybody have any justified opinions
on this?

Comment: IMHO only advantage of a hard-copy is that you can perhaps peruse
it in a dinghy after primary vessel is lower than surface. This is too late
and perhaps there should be a 4-page hardcopy to cover those situation where
the worst has already occurred!

Dave


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Bob wrote:
Hi Skip:

Since you are a vessel 12 meters (39' 3") you are required to carry a
copy of the COLREGS. Do you hvae one?

What do you figure - that Dog will strike him dead because he doesn't
have some dopey book?

If he doesn't get himself killed first it might result in a citation from
the Coast Guard should he get inspected. But, the way he carries on, it
will be just one of many.

He's got a laptop so all he needs to do is download it to his computer.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm

If they insist on a hard copy he can always print a copy.

Wilbur Hubbard

On several occasions I've pulled out a reference to make sure I
understood a sound or light signal correctly. (More often than not
they were being used incorrectly, hence my confusion.) Other times
I've pulled out the rules immediately after an encounter to make sure
I had interpreted it properly. Would this have happened if I had to
fire up a computer?

I often spend long hours at the helm, actually on watch while we chug
along on autopilot. I try to spend the excess time reading the
ColRegs, Eldridge, guides, and sometimes even working out a running fix.


* Dave Isherwood wrote, On 8/19/2007 1:41 AM:
It has always intrigued me that officially if must be a hardcopy and a PDF
on several hard-drives isn't adequate. Anybody have any justified opinions
on this?

Comment: IMHO only advantage of a hard-copy is that you can perhaps peruse
it in a dinghy after primary vessel is lower than surface. This is too late
and perhaps there should be a 4-page hardcopy to cover those situation where
the worst has already occurred!

Dave


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Bob wrote:
Hi Skip:

Since you are a vessel 12 meters (39' 3") you are required to carry a
copy of the COLREGS. Do you hvae one?

What do you figure - that Dog will strike him dead because he doesn't
have some dopey book?
If he doesn't get himself killed first it might result in a citation from
the Coast Guard should he get inspected. But, the way he carries on, it
will be just one of many.

He's got a laptop so all he needs to do is download it to his computer.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm

If they insist on a hard copy he can always print a copy.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Aug 19, 6:05 am, Jeff wrote:
On several occasions I've pulled out a reference to make sure I
understood a sound or light signal correctly.

I often spend long hours at the helm, actually on watch while we chug
along on autopilot. I try to spend the excess time reading the
ColRegs.....

* Dave Isherwood wrote, On 8/19/2007 1:41 AM:


Gosh Dave,

After reading Skips post I thought when underway the auto pilot and
RADAR took care of all that boaring watching stuff. I thought the
whole idea of an auto pilot was to relieve the captain for more
important things such as typing posts and enjoying the more
comfortable lounge area. Who wants to sit in a boaring cockpit looking
at nothing. I mean like as if, fur sure, not.

I read several months ago Lydia relied on the auto pilot when uderway
to take a nap. And then some how the boat went of course and ended on
the beach. I hope they fix that auto pilot so it doesnt do that again!

And for you, I hope you learn to relax and enjoy your dream instead of
fretting over ColRegs and such. Besides thoes rules are for ships not
sailboats like ours.....
bob

"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 19, 6:05 am, Jeff wrote:
On several occasions I've pulled out a reference to make sure I
understood a sound or light signal correctly.

I often spend long hours at the helm, actually on watch while we chug
along on autopilot. I try to spend the excess time reading the
ColRegs.....

* Dave Isherwood wrote, On 8/19/2007 1:41 AM:


Gosh Dave,

After reading Skips post I thought when underway the auto pilot and
RADAR took care of all that boaring watching stuff. I thought the
whole idea of an auto pilot was to relieve the captain for more
important things such as typing posts and enjoying the more
comfortable lounge area. Who wants to sit in a boaring cockpit looking
at nothing. I mean like as if, fur sure, not.

I read several months ago Lydia relied on the auto pilot when uderway
to take a nap. And then some how the boat went of course and ended on
the beach. I hope they fix that auto pilot so it doesnt do that again!

And for you, I hope you learn to relax and enjoy your dream instead of
fretting over ColRegs and such. Besides thoes rules are for ships not
sailboats like ours.....
bob




Wow... news to me. The rules of the road are for everyone, sailboats and
power alike.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Bob wrote in news:1187545391.121144.134950
@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com:


And for you, I hope you learn to relax and enjoy your dream instead of
fretting over ColRegs and such. Besides thoes rules are for ships not
sailboats like ours.....
bob




Problem is...... lotsa sailboaters believe that

"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...

And for you, I hope you learn to relax and enjoy your dream instead of
fretting over ColRegs and such. Besides thoes rules are for ships not
sailboats like ours.....

Now, that's among the more uninformed statements posted here on this
group this year and that's saying something! I'm very familiar with the
COLREGS and I never saw the rule that states "these rules are for ships
and not sailboats like ours." I suppose I could have missed it. Perhaps
you could point it out to me?

It's shockingly disgraceful how many slackers are out on the water
without the smallest iota of a clue.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:42:53 -0400, wrote:

On 18 Aug 2007 10:22:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:56:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

Are you trying to say you're exempt because you don't practice law in
the courts? What are you going to do if you make a mistake and somebody
hauls you into court? Hire a lawyer?

Keep trying, Wilbur. I'm the attorney of record in several reported cases in
the State and federal courts.

That's just awful! What are the charges against you?

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Aug 19, 5:04 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

ups.com...

And for you, I hope you learn to relax and enjoy your dream instead of
fretting over ColRegs and such. Besides thoes rules are for ships not
sailboats like ours.....

Now, that's among the more uninformed statements posted here on this
group this year and that's saying something! I'm very familiar with the
COLREGS and I never saw the rule that states "these rules are for ships
and not sailboats like ours." I suppose I could have missed it. Perhaps
you could point it out to me?

It's shockingly disgraceful how many slackers are out on the water
without the smallest iota of a clue.

Wilbur Hubbard


My Dearst Willlburrr;
What can I say............................................... ......
Keep up the work!.I find your encouragment frightfully hepfull.
Bob