Hi Skip:

Since you are a vessel 12 meters (39' 3") you are required to carry a
copy of the COLREGS. Do you hvae one?

Since you do please read RULE 5

Ive copied from http://www.boats.com/reeds/jsp/rn_ch_1_i_b.jsp#a9
below:

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"Rule 5 Lookout

Every vessel shall at all times maintain a PROPER LOOKOUT BY SIGHT AND
HEARING AS WELL AS BY ALL AVAILABLE MEANS appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal
of the situation and of the risk of collision.

Rule 5
This is a basic Rule, the violation of which is so often the cause of
small-craft accidents - collisions with other boats or stationary
objects. On smaller vessels, the "lookout" is nominally the helmsman,
and this is acceptable if he is aware of his responsibility and
performs his duties. He must be able to hear as well as see potential
dangers. If in doubt, a skipper should post an additional person with
the sole duties of lookout; this is particularly necessary in
situations of reduced visibility. It is even possible that two
lookouts will be necessary - one forward and one aft. Should a
collision occur, failure to have a proper lookout would be strongly
held against you in court.

This is also the Rule that is obviously violated by all single-handing
skippers on long voyages, or even on voyages of more than a few hours.
Note that the Rule states that a lookout is required "at all times" -
this includes when a vessel is at anchor."
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Sitting at the nav station typing 500 word posts and looking at a
RADAR screen every 15 min violates COLREG RULE 5. Get out of the
office and sail your boat!
Bob

Bob wrote:
Hi Skip:

Since you are a vessel 12 meters (39' 3") you are required to carry a
copy of the COLREGS. Do you hvae one?

What do you figure - that Dog will strike him dead because he doesn't
have some dopey book?

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Bob wrote:
Hi Skip:

Since you are a vessel 12 meters (39' 3") you are required to carry a
copy of the COLREGS. Do you hvae one?

What do you figure - that Dog will strike him dead because he doesn't have
some dopey book?

The Coasties don't really care whether or not someone considers the COLREGS
to be "some dopey book." It's mandatory equipment on vessels greater than 12
meters. I carry it on Essie (at only 30 feet) because it's chock full of
stuff that anyone who calls themselves "sailor" should know. If you're
boarded, are required to have it, and don't have it, you'll likely be cited
for it.

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Bob wrote:
Hi Skip:

Since you are a vessel 12 meters (39' 3") you are required to carry
a
copy of the COLREGS. Do you hvae one?

What do you figure - that Dog will strike him dead because he doesn't
have some dopey book?

If he doesn't get himself killed first it might result in a citation
from the Coast Guard should he get inspected. But, the way he carries
on, it will be just one of many.

He's got a laptop so all he needs to do is download it to his computer.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm

If they insist on a hard copy he can always print a copy.

Wilbur Hubbard

It has always intrigued me that officially if must be a hardcopy and a PDF
on several hard-drives isn't adequate. Anybody have any justified opinions
on this?

Comment: IMHO only advantage of a hard-copy is that you can perhaps peruse
it in a dinghy after primary vessel is lower than surface. This is too late
and perhaps there should be a 4-page hardcopy to cover those situation where
the worst has already occurred!

Dave


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Bob wrote:
Hi Skip:

Since you are a vessel 12 meters (39' 3") you are required to carry a
copy of the COLREGS. Do you hvae one?

What do you figure - that Dog will strike him dead because he doesn't
have some dopey book?

If he doesn't get himself killed first it might result in a citation from
the Coast Guard should he get inspected. But, the way he carries on, it
will be just one of many.

He's got a laptop so all he needs to do is download it to his computer.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm

If they insist on a hard copy he can always print a copy.

Wilbur Hubbard

On several occasions I've pulled out a reference to make sure I
understood a sound or light signal correctly. (More often than not
they were being used incorrectly, hence my confusion.) Other times
I've pulled out the rules immediately after an encounter to make sure
I had interpreted it properly. Would this have happened if I had to
fire up a computer?

I often spend long hours at the helm, actually on watch while we chug
along on autopilot. I try to spend the excess time reading the
ColRegs, Eldridge, guides, and sometimes even working out a running fix.


* Dave Isherwood wrote, On 8/19/2007 1:41 AM:
It has always intrigued me that officially if must be a hardcopy and a PDF
on several hard-drives isn't adequate. Anybody have any justified opinions
on this?

Comment: IMHO only advantage of a hard-copy is that you can perhaps peruse
it in a dinghy after primary vessel is lower than surface. This is too late
and perhaps there should be a 4-page hardcopy to cover those situation where
the worst has already occurred!

Dave


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Bob wrote:
Hi Skip:

Since you are a vessel 12 meters (39' 3") you are required to carry a
copy of the COLREGS. Do you hvae one?

What do you figure - that Dog will strike him dead because he doesn't
have some dopey book?
If he doesn't get himself killed first it might result in a citation from
the Coast Guard should he get inspected. But, the way he carries on, it
will be just one of many.

He's got a laptop so all he needs to do is download it to his computer.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm

If they insist on a hard copy he can always print a copy.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Aug 19, 6:05 am, Jeff wrote:
On several occasions I've pulled out a reference to make sure I
understood a sound or light signal correctly.

I often spend long hours at the helm, actually on watch while we chug
along on autopilot. I try to spend the excess time reading the
ColRegs.....

* Dave Isherwood wrote, On 8/19/2007 1:41 AM:


Gosh Dave,

After reading Skips post I thought when underway the auto pilot and
RADAR took care of all that boaring watching stuff. I thought the
whole idea of an auto pilot was to relieve the captain for more
important things such as typing posts and enjoying the more
comfortable lounge area. Who wants to sit in a boaring cockpit looking
at nothing. I mean like as if, fur sure, not.

I read several months ago Lydia relied on the auto pilot when uderway
to take a nap. And then some how the boat went of course and ended on
the beach. I hope they fix that auto pilot so it doesnt do that again!

And for you, I hope you learn to relax and enjoy your dream instead of
fretting over ColRegs and such. Besides thoes rules are for ships not
sailboats like ours.....
bob

"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Skip:

Since you are a vessel 12 meters (39' 3") you are required to carry a
copy of the COLREGS. Do you hvae one?

Since you do please read RULE 5

Ive copied from http://www.boats.com/reeds/jsp/rn_ch_1_i_b.jsp#a9
below:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Rule 5 Lookout

Every vessel shall at all times maintain a PROPER LOOKOUT BY SIGHT AND
HEARING AS WELL AS BY ALL AVAILABLE MEANS appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal
of the situation and of the risk of collision.

Rule 5
This is a basic Rule, the violation of which is so often the cause of
small-craft accidents - collisions with other boats or stationary
objects. On smaller vessels, the "lookout" is nominally the helmsman,
and this is acceptable if he is aware of his responsibility and
performs his duties. He must be able to hear as well as see potential
dangers. If in doubt, a skipper should post an additional person with
the sole duties of lookout; this is particularly necessary in
situations of reduced visibility. It is even possible that two
lookouts will be necessary - one forward and one aft. Should a
collision occur, failure to have a proper lookout would be strongly
held against you in court.

This is also the Rule that is obviously violated by all single-handing
skippers on long voyages, or even on voyages of more than a few hours.
Note that the Rule states that a lookout is required "at all times" -
this includes when a vessel is at anchor."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sitting at the nav station typing 500 word posts and looking at a
RADAR screen every 15 min violates COLREG RULE 5. Get out of the
office and sail your boat!
Bob


One correction, Bob, but don't feel badly because you're not the only
one confused by it. Jeff, who posts here regularly, also misunderstands
this rule but he's otherwise got them down pat.

Rule 5 comes under Part B, "Steering and Sailing Rules" meaning rules
for vessels steering and sailing, in other words vessels underway.
Underway vessels do not include anchored vessels which, unless they're
dragging, they're not underway nor are they steering or sailing.

Good luck in your effort to educate Skippy. I doubt it takes, though.

Wilbur Hubbard

* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 8/11/2007 8:23 PM:
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"Rule 5 Lookout

Every vessel shall at all times maintain a PROPER LOOKOUT BY SIGHT AND
HEARING AS WELL AS BY ALL AVAILABLE MEANS appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal
of the situation and of the risk of collision.

Rule 5
This is a basic Rule, the violation of which is so often the cause of
small-craft accidents - collisions with other boats or stationary
objects. On smaller vessels, the "lookout" is nominally the helmsman,
and this is acceptable if he is aware of his responsibility and
performs his duties. He must be able to hear as well as see potential
dangers. If in doubt, a skipper should post an additional person with
the sole duties of lookout; this is particularly necessary in
situations of reduced visibility. It is even possible that two
lookouts will be necessary - one forward and one aft. Should a
collision occur, failure to have a proper lookout would be strongly
held against you in court.

This is also the Rule that is obviously violated by all single-handing
skippers on long voyages, or even on voyages of more than a few hours.
Note that the Rule states that a lookout is required "at all times" -
this includes when a vessel is at anchor."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Sitting at the nav station typing 500 word posts and looking at a
RADAR screen every 15 min violates COLREG RULE 5. Get out of the
office and sail your boat!
Bob


One correction, Bob, but don't feel badly because you're not the only
one confused by it. Jeff, who posts here regularly, also misunderstands
this rule but he's otherwise got them down pat.

Rule 5 comes under Part B, "Steering and Sailing Rules" meaning rules
for vessels steering and sailing, in other words vessels underway.
Underway vessels do not include anchored vessels which, unless they're
dragging, they're not underway nor are they steering or sailing.

Nope, that's not the way the courts read it. And, although its not
discussed much here, captains are not only responsible for knowing the
rules as stated in the ColRegs, they are responsible for understanding
how the courts have interpreted them. This is an aspect where
admiralty law differs from "land based" law. There is a huge amount
of information left out of the ColRegs; one must look to the courts
for a full understanding of the rules. And of course, one must be
familiar with the "ordinary practice of seamen," which certainly
leaves you out.

There have been a number of cases where anchored vessels have been
found at fault for not keeping a lookout. However, they generally
involve situations where a vessel anchored in or too close to a channel.


Good luck in your effort to educate Skippy. I doubt it takes, though.

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 8/11/2007 8:23 PM:
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"Rule 5 Lookout

Every vessel shall at all times maintain a PROPER LOOKOUT BY SIGHT
AND
HEARING AS WELL AS BY ALL AVAILABLE MEANS appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full
appraisal
of the situation and of the risk of collision.

Rule 5
This is a basic Rule, the violation of which is so often the cause
of
small-craft accidents - collisions with other boats or stationary
objects. On smaller vessels, the "lookout" is nominally the
helmsman,
and this is acceptable if he is aware of his responsibility and
performs his duties. He must be able to hear as well as see
potential
dangers. If in doubt, a skipper should post an additional person
with
the sole duties of lookout; this is particularly necessary in
situations of reduced visibility. It is even possible that two
lookouts will be necessary - one forward and one aft. Should a
collision occur, failure to have a proper lookout would be strongly
held against you in court.

This is also the Rule that is obviously violated by all
single-handing
skippers on long voyages, or even on voyages of more than a few
hours.
Note that the Rule states that a lookout is required "at all
times" -
this includes when a vessel is at anchor."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Sitting at the nav station typing 500 word posts and looking at a
RADAR screen every 15 min violates COLREG RULE 5. Get out of the
office and sail your boat!
Bob


One correction, Bob, but don't feel badly because you're not the only
one confused by it. Jeff, who posts here regularly, also
misunderstands this rule but he's otherwise got them down pat.

Rule 5 comes under Part B, "Steering and Sailing Rules" meaning rules
for vessels steering and sailing, in other words vessels underway.
Underway vessels do not include anchored vessels which, unless
they're dragging, they're not underway nor are they steering or
sailing.

Nope, that's not the way the courts read it. And, although its not
discussed much here, captains are not only responsible for knowing the
rules as stated in the ColRegs, they are responsible for understanding
how the courts have interpreted them. This is an aspect where
admiralty law differs from "land based" law. There is a huge amount
of information left out of the ColRegs; one must look to the courts
for a full understanding of the rules. And of course, one must be
familiar with the "ordinary practice of seamen," which certainly
leaves you out.

There have been a number of cases where anchored vessels have been
found at fault for not keeping a lookout. However, they generally
involve situations where a vessel anchored in or too close to a
channel.

And because their lawyers sucked. Probably as stupid as Dave. Rule 5 is
clearly listed under Steering and Sailing Rules. Therefore, Rule 5
applies only to vessels engaged in steering and sailing. There is no way
a vessel anchored is steering or sailing. What kind of a knucklehead
does a judge have to be to misinterpret something this clear?

Appeal the damned thing to the SCOTUS. I would. I hate it when judges
legislate from the bench in contradiction of written existing laws which
even a two-year-old could understand.

Wilbur Hubbard