Not all cruising yachts are single handing it...... not all situations
require someone on a constant 360deg swivel..... the rules where mainly
written for ships/larger vessels, so you have to adapt many to fit single
handed cruising yachts and do the best you can.
Saying that "steering and sailing" does not include at anchor so you
don't need to keep a watch, is a nice word argument that won't do you a
bit of good when the stuff hits the fan.....






"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:46c20af5
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70...
All so typical...... Most anchored vessels are manned (exceptions
noted)....keep a lookout

It's just not possible for a single crewman on a small cruising yacht
to
keep a lookout at all times when anchored. This would mean he can never
leave the boat. This would mean he could never sleep. This would mean
he
could never use the head, cook a meal, change filters on the motor,
etc.
There are many legitimate reasons for anchoring. Among these reasons
are
the fact that you realize you are too tired to stay awake while you're
steering and sailing so you stop steering and sailing and drop the
anchor so you can get some much needed rest. Your too broad application
of rule 5 would force sailors to carry on until they fell asleep at the
wheel and caused a collision. See how, if extended logically, a case
cannot be made for what you are saying?

The only way you can be expected to be in compliance with Rule 5 is if
it's applied like it's written. You must keep a lookout at all times
"when steering and sailing."

When you're anchored you are NOT "steering and sailing." Just like
you're not steering and sailing when you're made fast to the pier.
NOBODY tries to say you must keep a lookout at all times when at the
dock. A few people are saying you must keep a lookout at all times when
anchored. They are WRONG! What's so hard to understand about that?

Wilbur Hubbard

On Aug 14, 9:33 pm, otnmbrd wrote:

Saying that "steering and sailing" does not include at anchor so you
don't need to keep a watch, is a nice word argument that won't do you a
bit of good when the stuff hits the fan.....


Common sense.............

Now lets add this to the mix:

How is it possible to comply with the ColRegs when underway with no
lookout? Pretty simply answer actually. And maybe somthing that Skip
and Lydia should consider when underway.
Answer_________________________________.
Oh, and bonus points are availible!
Bob

On Aug 15, 8:19 am, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:26:45 -0700, Bob wrote:
On Aug 14, 9:33 pm, otnmbrd wrote:

Saying that "steering and sailing" does not include at anchor so you
don't need to keep a watch, is a nice word argument that won't do you a
bit of good when the stuff hits the fan.....

Common sense.............

Now lets add this to the mix:

How is it possible to comply with the ColRegs when underway with no
lookout? Pretty simply answer actually. And maybe somthing that Skip
and Lydia should consider when underway.
Answer_________________________________.

answer: Don't hit anything!



Oh, and bonus points are availible!
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You left out don't get ran over.

Joe

Come on. Somebody here has to know what to do when your making way and
dont have a lookout. The answer is listed in the ColRegs. SInce there
are so many experts here I though it would be a slam dunk.

making way + no lookout = "a vessel _____ ______ __________."

Bob

On Aug 15, 6:44 pm, Bob wrote:
Come on. Somebody here has to know what to do when your making way and
dont have a lookout. The answer is listed in the ColRegs. SInce there
are so many experts here I though it would be a slam dunk.

making way + no lookout = "a vessel _____ ______ __________."

Bob

You mean "green over red the captain is dead?" Not a chance. I'd
suggest you look at 3 (f).

-- Tom.

Bob wrote:

Come on. Somebody here has to know what to do when your making way and
dont have a lookout. The answer is listed in the ColRegs. SInce there
are so many experts here I though it would be a slam dunk.

making way + no lookout = "a vessel _____ ______ __________."

Bob

Not Under Command?

On Aug 16, 12:36 am, " wrote:


You mean "green over red the captain is dead?" Not a chance. I'd
suggest you look at 3 (f).

-- Tom.

"... RULE 3 (f) The term "vessel not under command" means a
vessel which through some exceptional circumstance is unable to
maneuver as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep
out of the way of another vessel...."

Heck I think that fits Skips lookout methods. Also I think its RED
over RED the captain is dead. But maybe wrong

"Bob" wrote in message
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On Aug 16, 12:36 am, " wrote:


You mean "green over red the captain is dead?" Not a chance. I'd
suggest you look at 3 (f).

-- Tom.

"... RULE 3 (f) The term "vessel not under command" means a
vessel which through some exceptional circumstance is unable to
maneuver as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep
out of the way of another vessel...."

Heck I think that fits Skips lookout methods. Also I think its RED
over RED the captain is dead. But maybe wrong


OK, let's get this right. Red over red is NUC. That means Not Under
Command. It also has nothing to do with no lookout or no captain. Not
under command has everything to do with an exceptional circumstance
whereby a vessel is unable to maneuver according to the rules.
Exceptional circumstance is usually meant as a mechanical or operational
breakdown or defect that renders a vessel unable to comply.

And it's red over green = sailing machine. White over red is pilot
ahead. (accept when it's Otn at the helm - he uses red over white over
red [RAM] because he's usually so drunk he's Restricted in his Ability
to Maneuver -yuk yuk!). Red over white is fishing tonite. Green over
white is trawling tonite.

I hope this helps.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Bob" wrote in message
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Come on. Somebody here has to know what to do when your making way and
dont have a lookout. The answer is listed in the ColRegs. SInce there
are so many experts here I though it would be a slam dunk.

making way + no lookout = "a vessel _____ ______ __________."

Bob



It would be red over red (day, two balls in a vertical position), and you
would see red on green on the port and starboard and a white stern.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob" wrote in message
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On Aug 16, 12:36 am, " wrote:


You mean "green over red the captain is dead?" Not a chance. I'd
suggest you look at 3 (f).

-- Tom.

"... RULE 3 (f) The term "vessel not under command" means a
vessel which through some exceptional circumstance is unable to
maneuver as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep
out of the way of another vessel...."

Heck I think that fits Skips lookout methods. Also I think its RED
over RED the captain is dead. But maybe wrong



Personally, I think the only correct answer is "In Violation of COLREGS"