In article 1111782081.4515138e0f4014f7db098cab704cd6d7@teran ews,
says...
perhaps you could try to add something of value to the
discussion..


Perhaps you missed or couldn't read my original post, which, I belive,
contained a bit more useful information for the OP then row boats and
knives in the teeth.

Let me summarize it for you in simpler terms.

If someone is so uninformed about fire arms, their various potentials,
and the kinds of people who use them for criminal purposes in truly
lawless area's of the world, the really bad bad guys, one would probably
be better off without one.

Really bad bad guys are very skeptical of good guys who stand around
waving a gun and firing warning shots rather then putting it to the use
it was intended for in those kind of situations. It's a morals thing.
They don't have any and count on the fact you do.

Too even suggest that giving away an advantage by waving a gun or firing
"warning shots" at really bad bad guys is a disserves to the OP and
deserves the reply I sent.

Making the decision to buy a firearm is a very serious one and the
person making it has to understand that by having it they must be up to
the task of taking a life or three. They also have to understand that
there are people out there that don't give a damn one way or another
whether they live or die and just waving it around and firing warning
shots will just lead to the bad guys backing off and blowing said fat
dumb and happy gun owner's ass off with an AK 47 or Browning MG. Sure,
they'd rather not, but only because it might mess up a nice boat they
can convert into money and not for any concern for the target of their
ire.

Just in case there is any doubt on this matter next time one of the
cable TV channels runs the tape of the L.A. bank hold up of several
years ago, Watch it.

--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods

www.heirloom-woods.net

In article 1111817375.db6d80bd6e832d794c1d5f5690a67319@teran ews,
says...
Does your "education about the use of weapons" content that I shoot
and kill them by surprise at say 30 yards ???



Sounds like a good plan to me. Though I'd probably wait till the
distance was ten yards or less.

But then again that is in the real world where, in many parts, everyone
and their grandmother can get and run around with automatic weapons and
RPG's, not in Mister Rogers Neighborhood where the bad guys are not only
stupid enough to try a stunt like that with a knife but go weak kneed if
you wave a gun at them.

Hell, even a few box cutters can bring down tall buildings in the real
world.

--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods

www.heirloom-woods.net

Mike G wrote:

In article 1111817375.db6d80bd6e832d794c1d5f5690a67319@teran ews,
says...

Does your "education about the use of weapons" content that I shoot
and kill them by surprise at say 30 yards ???




Sounds like a good plan to me. Though I'd probably wait till the
distance was ten yards or less.

But then again that is in the real world where, in many parts, everyone
and their grandmother can get and run around with automatic weapons and
RPG's, not in Mister Rogers Neighborhood where the bad guys are not only
stupid enough to try a stunt like that with a knife but go weak kneed if
you wave a gun at them.

Hell, even a few box cutters can bring down tall buildings in the real
world.

Very true, and as some have said, the absolutely essential ingredients
necessary for such a transformation (turning box cutters into guided
missiles):

The element of surprise and a good plan.

Stephen

Just an observation, I used to see the tankers coming into San Francisco
full and leaving in ballast.


"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
WaIIy wrote in
:

They did up to 2001, then apparently stopped, although a bunch of LNG
goes to Japan.



Hmm...Japan pays $7/gallon for gas....Californicate only pays $3. Amazing
they stopped selling to some place they can get double, isn't it?

It might get REFINED in Californicate, on its way to Japan....

Just a question from a novice cruiser but experienced ex-navy world
traveler, why would you want to cruise in areas where you need weapons? I
read about a recent problem in the Red Sea and I wonder what the heck anyone
is doing there. It would seem better to spend time in a nice place rather
then some hell hole where everyone it considering killing you for your boat.
I know that if I had a shotgun or a machine gun I would not bring my wife
and children into that kind of situation. As a single man I have spent time
in many of the really bad parts of the world and had a good time but I would
never do it with my kids. What would be so wrong if you really wanted to
cruise the Phillipines to just hire a couple of armed guards. The same
would probably be possible in Thailand.
"rhys" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:07:56 -0500, Mike G
wrote:


IF you are not sure of a situation keep the firearm close at hand and
out of sight and don't go waving it around like it's a magic wand. Keep
it as your "ace in the hole".

If you don't think you can do that don't waste money on a firearm. It'll
only get you into more trouble then you would have been in without it.

Whatever one's stance on guns in yachts this is very, very good
advice. I haven't made up my mind yet, and I would have to train and
get dozens of permits, etc., but I do agree that if you bring it out,
don't stop shooting until everyone's dead or down.

Of course, if you're wrong and you've killed the crew of a harmless
bumboat, you'll rot in a tropical prison or make the Al-Jazeera
"Beheading of the Day", but that's the chance you take.

R.

Sailct41 wrote:
Just a question from a novice cruiser but experienced ex-navy world
traveler, why would you want to cruise in areas where you need weapons?
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DING! we have a winner folks
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Mike G wrote:

not_proven

Hell, even a few box cutters can bring down tall buildings in the real
world.

/not_proven

Mike G wrote:

If someone is so uninformed about fire arms, their various potentials,
and the kinds of people who use them for criminal purposes in truly
lawless area's of the world, the really bad bad guys, one would probably
be better off without one.

Your premature and flawed conclusions are based on my picture of a
hypothetical situation you just don't want to address, cause it brings
up the need to think, to weigh your decisions and choose your conduct
with thought.

All you do in this discussion is avoid the nuances and refer to the
very easy situation in which really bad bad pirates should be shot
legitimetly by surprise.

Now let me put this in simple terms for you... Are you really too
simple to understand there are situations possible a) forcing you to
get your gun but b) do not legitimize blasting everyone around to
hell?

Well, if so good luck to us all then. Imo it's guys like you that are
better off without a gun.

In article ,
"Keith" wrote:

Speaking of, someone posted an idea that may have some merit. He loaded up a
dry chemical fire extinguisher with cayenne pepper instead of dry chemical.
Charged up and claimed that it was a very potent weapon at close range.
Impossible for the authorities to tell it was anything but a fire
extinguisher unless they actually discharged it. I don't know how practical
this is, but sounded interesting anyway.

--

Not a bad idea, except when you have a fire, it wouldn't cause the FIRE
to fall on the floor, gaging, snuffling, and with snot running out it's
nose. Then again, if they approched you upwind, just how good would it
really be?


Me

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:09:09 +0100, Len
wrote:

Skipper wrote:

Len,
Leave all firearms behind or get some education about their uses.

I've seen a lot of ways a discussion can be slammed down with
patronizing remarks but you get the prize...

Please, please enlighten me, Capt'n, sir. What in your opinion should
I do when I see an attacker or two coming towards my dear wife and me,
definitely planning to rob us from all our money and electronics on
board. Just muggers, with a knife.
////

Yep: I see what the others are talking about:
if you aim for the attackers with lethal intentions, you WILL probably
miss, but might give them second thoughts.

Wave it around? pop one off in the air? and you might get a belly
laugh out of them.

Yes...I see the trap.

Brian W