Len wrote in
news:1111782081.4515138e0f4014f7db098cab704cd6d7@t eranews:

Hmm, what is that smell... fear ?

Those will be the alive ones, after the firefight is over.....

In article 1111782081.4515138e0f4014f7db098cab704cd6d7@teran ews,
says...
perhaps you could try to add something of value to the
discussion..


Perhaps you missed or couldn't read my original post, which, I belive,
contained a bit more useful information for the OP then row boats and
knives in the teeth.

Let me summarize it for you in simpler terms.

If someone is so uninformed about fire arms, their various potentials,
and the kinds of people who use them for criminal purposes in truly
lawless area's of the world, the really bad bad guys, one would probably
be better off without one.

Really bad bad guys are very skeptical of good guys who stand around
waving a gun and firing warning shots rather then putting it to the use
it was intended for in those kind of situations. It's a morals thing.
They don't have any and count on the fact you do.

Too even suggest that giving away an advantage by waving a gun or firing
"warning shots" at really bad bad guys is a disserves to the OP and
deserves the reply I sent.

Making the decision to buy a firearm is a very serious one and the
person making it has to understand that by having it they must be up to
the task of taking a life or three. They also have to understand that
there are people out there that don't give a damn one way or another
whether they live or die and just waving it around and firing warning
shots will just lead to the bad guys backing off and blowing said fat
dumb and happy gun owner's ass off with an AK 47 or Browning MG. Sure,
they'd rather not, but only because it might mess up a nice boat they
can convert into money and not for any concern for the target of their
ire.

Just in case there is any doubt on this matter next time one of the
cable TV channels runs the tape of the L.A. bank hold up of several
years ago, Watch it.

--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods

www.heirloom-woods.net

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:34:19 +0100, Len
wrote:


Len,
Never show a weapon. Never brandish or wave a weapon. It sounds
like you really need some defensive training.

So when say two robbers, with a grown knife between their teeth, row
to your boat, you'd just shoot them by surprise instead of giving them
other thoughts by letting them take a look at your 12 ga.?
The term "warning shot" isn't in your vocabulary?
Being less of a wise guy I won't go in in what kind of training you
might need, but it's all in what you call "defensive" or "offensive".

Len,
Leave all firearms behind or get some education about their uses.

Skipper wrote:

Len,
Leave all firearms behind or get some education about their uses.

I've seen a lot of ways a discussion can be slammed down with
patronizing remarks but you get the prize...

Please, please enlighten me, Capt'n, sir. What in your opinion should
I do when I see an attacker or two coming towards my dear wife and me,
definitely planning to rob us from all our money and electronics on
board. Just muggers, with a knife.
Does your "education about the use of weapons" content that I shoot
and kill them by surprise at say 30 yards ???

I expect (but also doubt) that your courage and no doubt vigorous
mentality permits you to give me some sensible answer...

Some americans really are funny.... LOL

In article 1111817375.db6d80bd6e832d794c1d5f5690a67319@teran ews,
says...
Does your "education about the use of weapons" content that I shoot
and kill them by surprise at say 30 yards ???



Sounds like a good plan to me. Though I'd probably wait till the
distance was ten yards or less.

But then again that is in the real world where, in many parts, everyone
and their grandmother can get and run around with automatic weapons and
RPG's, not in Mister Rogers Neighborhood where the bad guys are not only
stupid enough to try a stunt like that with a knife but go weak kneed if
you wave a gun at them.

Hell, even a few box cutters can bring down tall buildings in the real
world.

--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods

www.heirloom-woods.net

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:09:09 +0100, Len
wrote:

Skipper wrote:

Len,
Leave all firearms behind or get some education about their uses.

I've seen a lot of ways a discussion can be slammed down with
patronizing remarks but you get the prize...

Please, please enlighten me, Capt'n, sir. What in your opinion should
I do when I see an attacker or two coming towards my dear wife and me,
definitely planning to rob us from all our money and electronics on
board. Just muggers, with a knife.
////

Yep: I see what the others are talking about:
if you aim for the attackers with lethal intentions, you WILL probably
miss, but might give them second thoughts.

Wave it around? pop one off in the air? and you might get a belly
laugh out of them.

Yes...I see the trap.

Brian W

Len,

Just because someone is only armed with a knife does not mean that
they are not dangerous. A person armed with a knife within 20 feet
of you is actually very dangerous even if you are armed with a gun,
because they can close the distance very quickly and kill you before
you can bring your gun into action. This scenario is well known in
police training, and is actually a practice scenario. Even if you
fatally wound them as they are closing the distance, they may still
kill you before dying themselves. In the real world, unlike the movies,
people do not always drop on the spot when shot. Also, it is not as
easy to accurately shoot someone who is rushing you as you might think.

Two attackers armed with knives against you armed with a firearm is even
worse. After you show your weapon, what are you going to do when they
spread out and keep advancing on you from different angles, or they both
rush you.

Also, remember that just because you are willing to surrender your money
and electronics does not necessarily mean that they will not kill you
and your wife as well. It just depends on who you are facing, and you
will not know that until after it is all over.

I'm not suggesting that you shoot from ambush, but if you pull a weapon
you'd better be ready to use it in a hurry, because things may happen
very quickly.

What is your experience with this sort of thing?

Don W.

Len wrote:

Skipper wrote:


Len,
Leave all firearms behind or get some education about their uses.


I've seen a lot of ways a discussion can be slammed down with
patronizing remarks but you get the prize...

Please, please enlighten me, Capt'n, sir. What in your opinion should
I do when I see an attacker or two coming towards my dear wife and me,
definitely planning to rob us from all our money and electronics on
board. Just muggers, with a knife.
Does your "education about the use of weapons" content that I shoot
and kill them by surprise at say 30 yards ???

I expect (but also doubt) that your courage and no doubt vigorous
mentality permits you to give me some sensible answer...

Some americans really are funny.... LOL

"Len" wrote in message
news:1111317563.a8a0fef5a95910e18e9eaa0f9662aab4@t eranews...
The missus and I are preparing our boat and ourselves for a RTW-trip
in a few years. My attention was drawn to the story of the two yachts
that succesfully defended themselves from pirates in the Yemen area.

In the ever ongoing weapons discussion I take a moderate position.
I know I'll be on my own, in known risky places preferably accompanied
by a few other yachts in a convoy. SSB is your friend here...

But when problems do arise I want to have a choice.
Depending on the situation I want to make a choice between a)
waving/using a gun and b) let it lie in it's place...,

So... In order to have this choice, I will have a weapon on board, all
legal, with permits, in a locker thats sealed and locked and I will
undergo without complaints the cumbersome customs-scenes every time I
enter some new territory ....

My question is: what would be a good choice for a weapon ?
I am not a drilled marksman so I guess I'll choose a shotgun, as the
yacht in the aforementioned story had chosen. When I google around a
bit this pump action Mossberg M590A1comes up pretty often. Together
with 00-rounds this would be a helpful combination I guess.

Can anyone add comments, experiences or advice ?
Please feel free to send your answer to my private email if you don't
want to post in this group.

Regards,
Len.


I am new to this group but on this topic I can help. Look at the
Springfield arsenal XD .40. It is easy to field strip, has good heft and has
a number of tactile indicators that help out the less experienced shooter
i.e.. is there a bullet in the chamber, have I got shells in the magazine?
..40 should be enough to stop anyone with even a clip shot to the torso. I
would also suggest you get your self a long rifle to ensure that they get
the message at a distance. Shooting out a window in front of the steersman
would give anyone pause for thought. You also need training and a lot of it
bear in mind there is a HUGE difference between shooting targets and a
living human being. You might want to consider alternatives such as tasers,
long range mace etc.