"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:39:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:00:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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If you find yourself actually needing an anchor windlass then it should
tell
you that what you really need is a smaller boat with smaller ground
tackle.
Or, you might need to examine your technique. If you can't brute force
something perhaps you can finesse it - like using the displacement of
your
hull to break the anchor free or reducing the chain length or using the
(heaven forbid) the auxiliary. Just a thought.


There speaks the man with the tiny boat. Exhibiting both his envy of
his betters and his stupidity.



It is a well-known FACT that smaller sailboats sail more often than their
larger cousins.

Case closed!


Wilbur Hubbard


If that is true, and I'm not saying that it is, what is your excuse
for sitting there for all these years on the yellow peril?


Waiting for the right girl to come along, maybe? When a man has sailed the
world lone-handed he just might decide it would be a nice thing to share
with the right woman.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:39:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:00:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
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If you find yourself actually needing an anchor windlass then it should
tell
you that what you really need is a smaller boat with smaller ground
tackle.
Or, you might need to examine your technique. If you can't brute force
something perhaps you can finesse it - like using the displacement of your
hull to break the anchor free or reducing the chain length or using the
(heaven forbid) the auxiliary. Just a thought.


There speaks the man with the tiny boat. Exhibiting both his envy of
his betters and his stupidity.



It is a well-known FACT that smaller sailboats sail more often than their
larger cousins.

Case closed!


Wilbur Hubbard



I think there's a pretty good case for what you say... seems to me
that most people would want to have some help with a bigger boat? That
means coordinating a bunch of people or both people in a couple having
time and money to take off at the same time.

On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:52:41 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

OK, I have not hauled my anchor in the last 6 months but then it was
not too hard (28' 8000lb boat). Am I missing something? Does hauling
the anchor (slowly) get that much harder as one gets older (I am 55).
Generally, I haul her in slowly allowing the boats momentum to do most
of the work until the rode is vertical. That is when it requires a
bit of pull. I also use 1/2" nylon rode with 30' of chain so I am not
hauling all chain.
Does it get that much harder with a larger boat?
In place of a windlass, why not mount an old manual winch on the bow
and use it to help haul it in?

Somewhere around 35 to 40 ft of boat length the weight of a proper
cruising anchor and chain gets to be heavier than most people want to
deal with. Serious cruising boats in that size range will typically
have a 40 to 50 lb anchor and a mostly chain rode. Ideally the
windlass will be able to handle both chain and rope but at the very
least, chain.

On Mar 6, 8:52*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
OK, I have not hauled my anchor in the last 6 months but then it was
not too hard (28' 8000lb boat). *Am I missing something? *Does hauling
the anchor (slowly) get that much harder as one gets older (I am 55).
Generally, I haul her in slowly allowing the boats momentum to do most
of the work until the rode is vertical. *That is when it requires a
bit of pull. *I also use 1/2" nylon rode with 30' of chain so I am not
hauling all chain.
Does it get that much harder with a larger boat?
In place of a windlass, why not mount an old manual winch on the bow
and use it to help haul it in?

There is an excelletn book by Earl R. Hinz I cant remember the title
that will tieach you everything needed to design your own ground
tackle. He also published a book titled, Heavy Weather Tactics Using
Sea Anchors & Drogues. THis is also the only book you shoudl read
regarding that topic.

Youre asking the wrong question. Its not how big a windless or How big
an anchor you need? The quesion you need to anser FIRST is
1) How much does your boat weigh: 29,000 lbs
2) How much wind (drag) + bottom type+ depth are you going to want to
anchor.

Those factors above will determ
rode type
rode lenght
anchor type/size
windless needed to pick up your location specific designed ground
tackle. If its too much to pull up by hand Id say size the windless to
your needs.

Just to run off my mouth Id say 1/2 nylon + 30 feet chain is EXTREALY
undersized for a 29K boat... that is unless youre at the dock and will
never opreate in an area where winds over 20K exist.

Read Hinz anchoring book and let me know what you decide.
Bob

On Mar 14, 6:51*pm, Bob wrote:
On Mar 6, 8:52*pm, Frogwatch wrote:

OK, I have not hauled my anchor in the last 6 months but then it was
not too hard (28' 8000lb boat). *Am I missing something? *Does hauling
the anchor (slowly) get that much harder as one gets older (I am 55).
Generally, I haul her in slowly allowing the boats momentum to do most
of the work until the rode is vertical. *That is when it requires a
bit of pull. *I also use 1/2" nylon rode with 30' of chain so I am not
hauling all chain.
Does it get that much harder with a larger boat?
In place of a windlass, why not mount an old manual winch on the bow
and use it to help haul it in?

There is an excelletn book by Earl R. Hinz I cant remember the title
that will tieach you everything needed to design your own ground
tackle. He also published a book titled, Heavy Weather Tactics Using
Sea Anchors & Drogues. THis is also the only book you shoudl read
regarding that topic.

Youre asking the wrong question. Its not how big a windless or How big
an anchor you need? The quesion you need to anser FIRST is
1) How much does your boat weigh: 29,000 lbs
2) How much wind (drag) + bottom type+ depth are you going to want to
anchor.

Those factors above will determ
rode type
rode lenght
anchor type/size
windless needed to pick up your location specific designed ground
tackle. If its too much to pull up by hand Id say size the windless to
your needs.

Just to run off my mouth Id say 1/2 nylon + 30 feet chain is EXTREALY
undersized for a 29K boat... that is unless youre at the dock and will
never opreate in an area where winds over 20K exist.

Read Hinz anchoring book and let me know what you decide.
Bob



Upsss Its a 28 FOOT boat that weighs 8 thousand pounds...... !
In that case putit back on yuor trailor and go home....

"Gogarty" wrote in message
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What has always astonished me is that evry dinky little motor boat of 16
feet or more has a windlass as standard equipment while sailboats as
large as over 40 feet do not. Our boat is 37'. I installed a windless.
Best $2,000 I ever spent on the boat.




There is ONE good thing that can be said about windlasses. They encourage
adequately-sized anchors for the boat in question.

Too often I have seen forty-footers anchoring up with a 25 pound imitation
Danforth or cheap imitation plow of similar weight or, worse yet, one of
those ten-pound aluminum anchors. Too often have I seen them dragging if the
wind blows more than 20 knots.

Since weight becomes less of a factor when a windlass is used, I notice how
properly-sized anchors for the size of the boat are more often in evidence
to the benefit of all concerned.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:36:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

There is ONE good thing that can be said about windlasses. They encourage
adequately-sized anchors for the boat in question.

Too often I have seen forty-footers anchoring up with a 25 pound imitation
Danforth or cheap imitation plow of similar weight or, worse yet, one of
those ten-pound aluminum anchors. Too often have I seen them dragging if the
wind blows more than 20 knots.

Since weight becomes less of a factor when a windlass is used, I notice how
properly-sized anchors for the size of the boat are more often in evidence
to the benefit of all concerned.


Those are all excellent points.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:36:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

There is ONE good thing that can be said about windlasses. They encourage
adequately-sized anchors for the boat in question.

Too often I have seen forty-footers anchoring up with a 25 pound imitation
Danforth or cheap imitation plow of similar weight or, worse yet, one of
those ten-pound aluminum anchors. Too often have I seen them dragging if
the
wind blows more than 20 knots.

Since weight becomes less of a factor when a windlass is used, I notice
how
properly-sized anchors for the size of the boat are more often in evidence
to the benefit of all concerned.


Those are all excellent points.




Thanks. Many of my replies contain some degree of excellence but it
sometimes takes a more intelligent and discerning reader than the likes of
Bruce, for example, to realize it.

Wilbur Hubbard