Hi, again :{))

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails are
raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails and you
know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with those pile
of junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard tangled in them
when dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst time with
flogging, flailing, out of control sails when they least want or need it.
This will require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY STEPS that are
supposed to make it less likely that one will need to ascend the mast
under emergency conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and bordering on the
pathetic, I say.

Speaking of pathetic...

I have well over 100# of mainsail. It's heavy enough that even jumping I
can't pull up the last foot or so; I winch it before cleating off, rather
than just tensioning the halyard. I CONTROL the line as I flake the sail.
That means I let it slip through my (bare) hand while I have my hand on the
sail to control how it falls. There is NO slack in the halyard, let alone
enough to go around a step.

And, you've not been paying attention, either. I only want _1_ more, so I
can stand at the top of the mast. If the conditions were so severe as to
cause my otherwise-taut (I keep it taut when I've lowered the sail, and the
weight of the sail keeps it reasonably taut as I'm lowering it) halyard to
managed to navigate a 5" (not counting the half-depth mast) step to foul on
it, at (you work out the math; the step will be about 2.5' down from the
pulley exit, which is about 1" off center, and the mast has an 8" cross
section) a reasonably broad angle. Carry that angle down even half
(considering the possibility of "catenary" due to the wind, which would have
to be abeam [thus providing a gravity equivalent so that the theory is
similar when turned 90*], unlikely when stowing sails), and it is probably
close to the shroud. Ain't gonna happen :{))

So, I conclude that the massive sail on that yacht of yours is more than you
can handle by controlling the halyard, and so you use folding steps that
only a child's shod foot can fit within (never mind the lack of a means of
not sliding off the side if you got the least bit of lift causing that
pitiful little edge on the plate they give you for safety to be meangless).

Maybe Jessica would come sail with you and handle that chore for you, and
you'd have this lovely, flaked, sail without burgeoning your tender little
hands....

L8R

Skip, down from the top of the mast today, stopping in the middle just for
fun (to measure how far that halyard would have to fly to get around my
step, of course!)

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Hi, again :{))

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails are
raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails and
you know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with those
pile of junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard tangled in
them when dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst time with
flogging, flailing, out of control sails when they least want or need it.
This will require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY STEPS that are
supposed to make it less likely that one will need to ascend the mast
under emergency conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and bordering on the
pathetic, I say.

Speaking of pathetic...

I have well over 100# of mainsail. It's heavy enough that even jumping I
can't pull up the last foot or so; I winch it before cleating off, rather
than just tensioning the halyard. I CONTROL the line as I flake the sail.
That means I let it slip through my (bare) hand while I have my hand on
the sail to control how it falls. There is NO slack in the halyard, let
alone enough to go around a step.

And, you've not been paying attention, either. I only want _1_ more, so I
can stand at the top of the mast. If the conditions were so severe as to
cause my otherwise-taut (I keep it taut when I've lowered the sail, and
the weight of the sail keeps it reasonably taut as I'm lowering it)
halyard to managed to navigate a 5" (not counting the half-depth mast)
step to foul on it, at (you work out the math; the step will be about 2.5'
down from the pulley exit, which is about 1" off center, and the mast has
an 8" cross section) a reasonably broad angle. Carry that angle down even
half (considering the possibility of "catenary" due to the wind, which
would have to be abeam [thus providing a gravity equivalent so that the
theory is similar when turned 90*], unlikely when stowing sails), and it
is probably close to the shroud. Ain't gonna happen :{))

So, I conclude that the massive sail on that yacht of yours is more than
you can handle by controlling the halyard, and so you use folding steps
that only a child's shod foot can fit within (never mind the lack of a
means of not sliding off the side if you got the least bit of lift causing
that pitiful little edge on the plate they give you for safety to be
meangless).

Maybe Jessica would come sail with you and handle that chore for you, and
you'd have this lovely, flaked, sail without burgeoning your tender little
hands....

L8R

Skip, down from the top of the mast today, stopping in the middle just for
fun (to measure how far that halyard would have to fly to get around my
step, of course!)





OK Skippy, you asked for it. But, unfortunately, I don't have the time to
deal with you properly right now. I've got to log off but you're NOT off the
hook. Tomorrow I will post a scathing rebuke and expose your false or poorly
thought out statements.

A toute a l'heure.

Wilbur Hubbard

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

Please don't be envious of how my boat shines and Flying Pig is sort of all
dull and chalky looking.


Wilbur Hubbard



I see you took off that fancy rig for lifting/storing the dinghy. I see
you also got another new engine (well, at least there's a white one in this,
and the others I see are black).

And made a LOT of topsides improvements since seen in the yard when you were
doing some other work (apparently redoing the stripe at the top and other
trim items which hadn't been done in your original yard shots).

The paint job, and all the improvements, especially cosmetic ones, make her
look just like she must have 20 or 30 years ago! Taking off the name was a
good idea, too...

Come to think of it, it looks so good that it could be used in a brochure!

L8R

Skip, who's thinking of a topsides repaint, himself

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In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

Please don't be envious of how my boat shines and Flying Pig is sort of
all
dull and chalky looking.


Wilbur Hubbard



I see you took off that fancy rig for lifting/storing the dinghy. I see
you also got another new engine (well, at least there's a white one in
this, and the others I see are black).


You got things confused. The picture on top is the OLD picture from several
years ago. The ones down below are the new pictures.

And made a LOT of topsides improvements since seen in the yard when you
were doing some other work (apparently redoing the stripe at the top and
other trim items which hadn't been done in your original yard shots).

Yes, I've been sanding and painting. Still have some to go but the weather
has been too windy for much work standing in the dinghy and trying to sand
and paint so I'm biding my time. It will calm down soon enough.

The paint job, and all the improvements, especially cosmetic ones, make
her look just like she must have 20 or 30 years ago! Taking off the name
was a good idea, too...

The name is still on the topsides. People have to know what boat is sailing
past them so fast. . .

Come to think of it, it looks so good that it could be used in a brochure!


Thanks for the compliment. I like a boat that looks simple and uncluttered.
You will note the newer photos look less cluttered than the older one at the
top.


Wilbur Hubbard

Now, you're gonna get it since I have some typing time . . .



"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Hi, again :{))

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails are
raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails and
you know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with those
pile of junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard tangled in
them when dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst time with
flogging, flailing, out of control sails when they least want or need it.
This will require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY STEPS that are
supposed to make it less likely that one will need to ascend the mast
under emergency conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and bordering on the
pathetic, I say.

Speaking of pathetic...

I have well over 100# of mainsail. It's heavy enough that even jumping I
can't pull up the last foot or so; I winch it before cleating off, rather
than just tensioning the halyard. I CONTROL the line as I flake the sail.
That means I let it slip through my (bare) hand while I have my hand on
the sail to control how it falls. There is NO slack in the halyard, let
alone enough to go around a step.

It sounds to me like you need to lubricate the sail slugs or the sail track.
It shouldn't be that difficult to raise the mainsail. And, here's a trick
for you since you apparently have not learned it yourself. Raise the
mainsail as far as you can by strength alone - do not jump up and down. Then
take a wrap or two around the cleat and PULL OUT on the halyard. This will
leverage it up to the top (provided the boom goose neck isn't fixed). Then
cleat off the halyard, and push down on the boom at the gooseneck and tie
and cleat the downhaul line. Your method of lowering the mainsail and
letting the halyard slide through your fingers will result in a significant
belly in the halyard that in any kind of a stiff wind will be flopping all
over the place due to wind and seas and this belly is what gets tangled in
the crappy mast steps you have installed.


And, you've not been paying attention, either. I only want _1_ more, so I
can stand at the top of the mast. If the conditions were so severe as to
cause my otherwise-taut (I keep it taut when I've lowered the sail, and
the weight of the sail keeps it reasonably taut as I'm lowering it)
halyard to managed to navigate a 5" (not counting the half-depth mast)
step to foul on it, at (you work out the math; the step will be about 2.5'
down from the pulley exit, which is about 1" off center, and the mast has
an 8" cross section) a reasonably broad angle. Carry that angle down even
half (considering the possibility of "catenary" due to the wind, which
would have to be abeam [thus providing a gravity equivalent so that the
theory is similar when turned 90*], unlikely when stowing sails), and it
is probably close to the shroud. Ain't gonna happen :{))


It will foul eventually - don't be so naive. And, when it fouls there's
gonna be hell to pay. BELIEVE IT. If something bad can happen, it will
happen. That's Murphy's law.

So much discussion about the proposed TOP mast step when you have a series
of lower ones that will give you nothing but trouble. Boy, Skippy, you need
to look at the whole picture.


So, I conclude that the massive sail on that yacht of yours is more than
you can handle by controlling the halyard, and so you use folding steps
that only a child's shod foot can fit within (never mind the lack of a
means of not sliding off the side if you got the least bit of lift causing
that pitiful little edge on the plate they give you for safety to be
meangless).

My mast steps are 6" wide. Measure your foot, not length-wise but sideways.
If your foot is over six inches wide then you're a freak. As for my foot
slipping off the outer end, it's never happened and it's never come close to
happening. And, even if it should happen, a wise climber NEVER allows
himself to be supported by one appendage only.

Maybe Jessica would come sail with you and handle that chore for you, and
you'd have this lovely, flaked, sail without burgeoning your tender little
hands....

Duh! Another sign that you are clueless. When anchoring under sail one
doesn't waste time flaking the mainsail when dousing it. One lets it fall
down on and around the boom any way it wishes to fall. Only after other
necessary anchoring chores are completed does the captain or crew return to
the mast and flake the sail adding gaskets as he flakes the sail from the
outer end of the boom to the inner end. You, obviously don't quite have sail
handling down to an art yet. Practice some more and come back when you have
it down, please.



L8R

Skip, down from the top of the mast today, stopping in the middle just for
fun (to measure how far that halyard would have to fly to get around my
step, of course!)


As he ignores in his arrogance the pile of junk steps he's used to get up to
the top. LOL!

Skippy, you're a real hoot.


Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur, Wilbur...

Jessica must have made you go soft. The below is nothing as compared to
some of your earlier works. Wilbur, I thought I knew ye...

It's so insipid I can't even give you the usual satire points, let alone
riposte your egregious mistakes in your encyclopedic knowledge of us and
our fine home.. Who are you, and what have you done with Wilbur???

L8R

Skip, disappointed in your failure to deliver on your earlier promise :{))

PS I apologize, but as of tomorrow morning I'll be in work mode, so I may
not visit very often, computer time being reserved for after-hours only...

--
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SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Now, you're gonna get it since I have some typing time . . .



"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Hi, again :{))

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails
are raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails
and you know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with
those pile of junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard
tangled in them when dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst
time with flogging, flailing, out of control sails when they least want
or need it. This will require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY
STEPS that are supposed to make it less likely that one will need to
ascend the mast under emergency conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and
bordering on the pathetic, I say.

Speaking of pathetic...

I have well over 100# of mainsail. It's heavy enough that even jumping I
can't pull up the last foot or so; I winch it before cleating off, rather
than just tensioning the halyard. I CONTROL the line as I flake the
sail. That means I let it slip through my (bare) hand while I have my
hand on the sail to control how it falls. There is NO slack in the
halyard, let alone enough to go around a step.

It sounds to me like you need to lubricate the sail slugs or the sail
track. It shouldn't be that difficult to raise the mainsail. And, here's a
trick for you since you apparently have not learned it yourself. Raise the
mainsail as far as you can by strength alone - do not jump up and down.
Then take a wrap or two around the cleat and PULL OUT on the halyard. This
will leverage it up to the top (provided the boom goose neck isn't fixed).
Then cleat off the halyard, and push down on the boom at the gooseneck and
tie and cleat the downhaul line. Your method of lowering the mainsail and
letting the halyard slide through your fingers will result in a
significant belly in the halyard that in any kind of a stiff wind will be
flopping all over the place due to wind and seas and this belly is what
gets tangled in the crappy mast steps you have installed.


And, you've not been paying attention, either. I only want _1_ more, so
I can stand at the top of the mast. If the conditions were so severe as
to cause my otherwise-taut (I keep it taut when I've lowered the sail,
and the weight of the sail keeps it reasonably taut as I'm lowering it)
halyard to managed to navigate a 5" (not counting the half-depth mast)
step to foul on it, at (you work out the math; the step will be about
2.5' down from the pulley exit, which is about 1" off center, and the
mast has an 8" cross section) a reasonably broad angle. Carry that angle
down even half (considering the possibility of "catenary" due to the
wind, which would have to be abeam [thus providing a gravity equivalent
so that the theory is similar when turned 90*], unlikely when stowing
sails), and it is probably close to the shroud. Ain't gonna happen :{))


It will foul eventually - don't be so naive. And, when it fouls there's
gonna be hell to pay. BELIEVE IT. If something bad can happen, it will
happen. That's Murphy's law.

So much discussion about the proposed TOP mast step when you have a series
of lower ones that will give you nothing but trouble. Boy, Skippy, you
need to look at the whole picture.


So, I conclude that the massive sail on that yacht of yours is more than
you can handle by controlling the halyard, and so you use folding steps
that only a child's shod foot can fit within (never mind the lack of a
means of not sliding off the side if you got the least bit of lift
causing that pitiful little edge on the plate they give you for safety to
be meangless).

My mast steps are 6" wide. Measure your foot, not length-wise but
sideways. If your foot is over six inches wide then you're a freak. As for
my foot slipping off the outer end, it's never happened and it's never
come close to happening. And, even if it should happen, a wise climber
NEVER allows himself to be supported by one appendage only.

Maybe Jessica would come sail with you and handle that chore for you, and
you'd have this lovely, flaked, sail without burgeoning your tender
little hands....

Duh! Another sign that you are clueless. When anchoring under sail one
doesn't waste time flaking the mainsail when dousing it. One lets it fall
down on and around the boom any way it wishes to fall. Only after other
necessary anchoring chores are completed does the captain or crew return
to the mast and flake the sail adding gaskets as he flakes the sail from
the outer end of the boom to the inner end. You, obviously don't quite
have sail handling down to an art yet. Practice some more and come back
when you have it down, please.



L8R

Skip, down from the top of the mast today, stopping in the middle just
for fun (to measure how far that halyard would have to fly to get around
my step, of course!)


As he ignores in his arrogance the pile of junk steps he's used to get up
to the top. LOL!

Skippy, you're a real hoot.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Wilbur, Wilbur...

Jessica must have made you go soft. The below is nothing as compared to
some of your earlier works. Wilbur, I thought I knew ye...

It's so insipid I can't even give you the usual satire points, let alone
riposte your egregious mistakes in your encyclopedic knowledge of us and
our fine home.. Who are you, and what have you done with Wilbur???

L8R

Skip, disappointed in your failure to deliver on your earlier promise :{))

PS I apologize, but as of tomorrow morning I'll be in work mode, so I may
not visit very often, computer time being reserved for after-hours only...


LOL, consider this fact: Anybody who can render Skippy speechless is doing
something right!

When Skippy has no valid response for the many valid points I made
concerning sail handling, it just might indicate Skippy has no defense for
the INVALID points he has proffered as stand operating procedure.

As for work mode, YES! Start by compiling a long list of lubberly items you
carry aboard - items which do little more than require your constant
attention because of maintenance issues which keep you from learning the
basics such as navigation and sail handling.

After you have completed the list, give serious consideration to lightening
the "Flying Pig" by several thousand pounds by removing said items and
gracing a nearby dumpster with them.

Simplify, simplify, simplify. And, while you are working hard you can send
Lydia down to the Keys where I shall be happy to give her a few sailing
lessons so she can teach you how it SHOULD be done on a lightened,
simplified and faster "Flying Pig." I'll even be pleased to give her an
informal class on plotting a course that takes advantage of wind and current
instead of a course that actually has the wind and current working against
the hapless occupants of aforementioned cruising yacht.



Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Flying wrote in message
...
Wilbur, Wilbur...

Jessica must have made you go soft. The below is nothing as compared to
some of your earlier works. Wilbur, I thought I knew ye...

It's so insipid I can't even give you the usual satire points, let alone
riposte your egregious mistakes in your encyclopedic knowledge of us and
our fine home.. Who are you, and what have you done with Wilbur???

L8R

Skip, disappointed in your failure to deliver on your earlier promise :{))

PS I apologize, but as of tomorrow morning I'll be in work mode, so I may
not visit very often, computer time being reserved for after-hours only...


LOL, consider this fact: Anybody who can render Skippy speechless is doing
something right!

When Skippy has no valid response for the many valid points I made
concerning sail handling, it just might indicate Skippy has no defense for
the INVALID points he has proffered as stand operating procedure.

As for work mode, YES! Start by compiling a long list of lubberly items you
carry aboard - items which do little more than require your constant
attention because of maintenance issues which keep you from learning the
basics such as navigation and sail handling.

After you have completed the list, give serious consideration to lightening
the "Flying Pig" by several thousand pounds by removing said items and
gracing a nearby dumpster with them.

Simplify, simplify, simplify. And, while you are working hard you can send
Lydia down to the Keys where I shall be happy to give her a few sailing
lessons so she can teach you how it SHOULD be done on a lightened,
simplified and faster "Flying Pig." I'll even be pleased to give her an
informal class on plotting a course that takes advantage of wind and current
instead of a course that actually has the wind and current working against
the hapless occupants of aforementioned cruising yacht.



Wilbur Hubbard


You should concentrate on picking a new hull color for that dilapidated
scow of yours.

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Simplify, simplify, simplify. And, while you are working hard you can send
Lydia down to the Keys where I shall be happy to give her a few sailing
lessons so she can teach you how it SHOULD be done on a lightened,
simplified and faster "Flying Pig." I'll even be pleased to give her an
informal class on plotting a course that takes advantage of wind and
current instead of a course that actually has the wind and current working
against the hapless occupants of aforementioned cruising yacht.



Wilbur Hubbard


Promises, promises.

The last time we spoke of being in your area, you disavowed any promises of
sailing, with or without either of us, limiting it to a friendly beer.

Get your stories straight :{))

As to the project list, just as was the time in SSI, my projects, having
kept up with my chores aboard, are short (other than the bottom job, which
will be pretty labor intensive, as I'm going to make it naked before I put
on whatever critter-killer I decide on). Her chores, which, once started,
seem to expand exponentially, have already involved me about half the time,
so I'm sure I'll be doing half her work while I finish (or have finished,
already) mine.

THEN, we'll both come down and sail with you, as I've gotten the first major
chore, that of getting a car, out of the way...

Oh, ya, you'll have to mail us (which I'm sure you know how to do as I've
never concealed my address), rather than here, cuz I know you'd rather not
have folks know how to reach you. Just as in several other folks who like
to remain unknown but who communicate with me directly, I'll protect that
with/for you.

Looking forward to meeting you...


L8R

Skip, moving right along in the projects list

--
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SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
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"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:52:27 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Wilbur, Wilbur...

Jessica must have made you go soft. The below is nothing as compared to
some of your earlier works. Wilbur, I thought I knew ye...

It's so insipid I can't even give you the usual satire points, let alone
riposte your egregious mistakes in your encyclopedic knowledge of us and
our fine home.. Who are you, and what have you done with Wilbur???

L8R

Skip, disappointed in your failure to deliver on your earlier promise :{))

PS I apologize, but as of tomorrow morning I'll be in work mode, so I may
not visit very often, computer time being reserved for after-hours only...


LOL, consider this fact: Anybody who can render Skippy speechless is doing
something right!

When Skippy has no valid response for the many valid points I made
concerning sail handling, it just might indicate Skippy has no defense for
the INVALID points he has proffered as stand operating procedure.

Yes, he is struck dumb at your stupidity.

As for work mode, YES! Start by compiling a long list of lubberly items you
carry aboard - items which do little more than require your constant
attention because of maintenance issues which keep you from learning the
basics such as navigation and sail handling.

After you have completed the list, give serious consideration to lightening
the "Flying Pig" by several thousand pounds by removing said items and
gracing a nearby dumpster with them.

Simplify, simplify, simplify. And, while you are working hard you can send
Lydia down to the Keys where I shall be happy to give her a few sailing
lessons so she can teach you how it SHOULD be done on a lightened,
simplified and faster "Flying Pig." I'll even be pleased to give her an
informal class on plotting a course that takes advantage of wind and current
instead of a course that actually has the wind and current working against
the hapless occupants of aforementioned cruising yacht.

Willie-boy, the arm chair sailor opens his mouth yet again exposing
his ignorance.

Willie, these people aren't doing a day trip down the bay, that are
staying out there for a spell..... they need those heavy water tanks.
Unlike you they can't run ashore every day to the public toilets for a
wash.



Wilbur Hubbard

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)