On Thu, 13 May 2010 21:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On May 13, 2:20*pm, Larry wrote:

Oh, wait! *There's PLENTY of "climate change"! *It's been there for
billions of years and no amount of New World Order or new taxes will
change it one bit.

NO, no....Global Climate Change is a natural occurance...

Noone is denying global climate change.


Hello Lary:

Then why did the Repubican party and Rush Limbaugh et al. deny global
warming and Global Climate Change for so long and then do a 180 flip
flop during the second administration of Bush II only to agree, yes,
our climate is changing dramitcally????????

What cause those repunlicans to change their mind? Or dont you
remember all those jokes about tree huggers and Gore being wacky to
even consider that our climat was changing?

What made Rush change his mind so rapidly and dramatically.
Bob

Larry


I think the point is that there have been periods in the earth's
history when the climate has been both hotter and colder then it is
today.

The Thames River in England used to freeze over, the first River
Thames frost fair was in 1607; the last in 1814, villages were
destroyed by glaciers in Switzerland, ice caps increased in size, the
Atlantic Ice pack increased from around 1250, etc.

Was this drop in temperature caused by the world population generating
less CO2? Or is it considered a normal change in climate?

Is the present increase in temperature normal or caused by mankind? Is
there any specific evidence to prove the cause? My understand is that
there is a body of conflicting evidence which no one can categorically
state proves anything.

Another point is that most of the environmental furor is extremely
hypocritical. If CO2 is a problem they why not a ban on internal
combustion engines larger then, say 900 cc. ? I've driven a 900 cc
automobile and they will carry you where you want to go, you don't
need the SUV.

Why not a ban on internal combustion powered shipping entering U.S.
ports? We know that sailing ships work.

Outlaw more then one automobile in a family? Motorcycles limited to,
say 90 cc? No powered lawn mowers or dish washers, after all I doubt
if your grandmother had a dishwasher.

I could go on but no one is going to listen. No, they would rather
ride around in their SUV and weep crocodile tears.

The environment is like the weather, every one talks about it but
nobody actually does anything about it.





Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On May 13, 9:54*pm, Bruce wrote:

My understand is that
there is a body of conflicting evidence which no one can categorically
state proves anything.

Hello Bruce Good to hear from you. Long time to chat.

Yes, there are conflicting studies and studies that simply interpret
existing data to produce a new claim. Its is a very compelling
stratigie. All I have to do is pay some shister PH D from BP or
Chevron to publish some bogus study. Poof ! Now we have conflicting
body of literature since that occures we can continue saying: "Even
the experts doint agree" says Fox News reporter. Unfortuanly the
worlds reputable scientest doall all agree.................. humans
impact the worlds climate.


Another point is that most of the environmental furor is extremely
hypocritical. If CO2 is a problem they why not a ban on internal
combustion engines larger then, say 900 cc. ? I've driven a 900 cc
automobile and they will carry you where you want to go, you don't
need the SUV.

Why not a ban on internal combustion powered shipping entering U.S.
ports? We know that sailing ships work.

Outlaw more then one automobile in a family? Motorcycles limited to,
say 90 cc? No powered lawn mowers or dish washers, after all I doubt
if your grandmother had a dishwasher.

I could go on but no one is going to listen. No, they would rather
ride around in their SUV and weep crocodile tears.
Cheers,

Bruce


many people are listening except the teabaggers/republicans/fox
network keep screaming so loud its hard to hear a normal voice. Dont
they undersand they are simply pupets of big oil and big business....
hey larry hows it feel to be manipulated so easily?
keep up the good work Bruce.

On Thu, 13 May 2010 23:32:51 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On May 13, 9:54*pm, Bruce wrote:

My understand is that
there is a body of conflicting evidence which no one can categorically
state proves anything.

Hello Bruce Good to hear from you. Long time to chat.

Yes, there are conflicting studies and studies that simply interpret
existing data to produce a new claim. Its is a very compelling
stratigie. All I have to do is pay some shister PH D from BP or
Chevron to publish some bogus study. Poof ! Now we have conflicting
body of literature since that occures we can continue saying: "Even
the experts doint agree" says Fox News reporter. Unfortuanly the
worlds reputable scientest doall all agree.................. humans
impact the worlds climate.

O.K. we'll assume that you are correct. what is being done about it? I
don't keep up with U.S. politics to any extent but I certainly haven't
seen anything being legislated that is going to have an effect on CO2
emissions.

Oh yes, we can horse around with a carbon tax but will that do
anything worthwhile? Certainly not as much as outlawing internal
combustion engines, or severely limiting their size. Sailing ships
only into U.S. ports!

And while they are messing about with carbon taxes the Chinese
smokestacks are still belching smoke. How about a law that nothing
more is to be imported from China unless they immediately cut carbon
emissions. But I very much doubt that anyone is going to mess with the
500 lb. Chinese gorilla.

Another point is that most of the environmental furor is extremely
hypocritical. If CO2 is a problem they why not a ban on internal
combustion engines larger then, say 900 cc. ? I've driven a 900 cc
automobile and they will carry you where you want to go, you don't
need the SUV.

Why not a ban on internal combustion powered shipping entering U.S.
ports? We know that sailing ships work.

Outlaw more then one automobile in a family? Motorcycles limited to,
say 90 cc? No powered lawn mowers or dish washers, after all I doubt
if your grandmother had a dishwasher.

I could go on but no one is going to listen. No, they would rather
ride around in their SUV and weep crocodile tears.
Cheers,

Bruce


many people are listening except the teabaggers/republicans/fox
network keep screaming so loud its hard to hear a normal voice. Dont
they undersand they are simply pupets of big oil and big business....
hey larry hows it feel to be manipulated so easily?
keep up the good work Bruce.

I'm not sure what you mean about puppets of big oil and big business
as frankly I don't find it true. I hear people advocating all kinds of
conspiracy theories but I never see any evidence that it is true.

The "Weapons of mass destruction" is a perfect example. Advanced by
the President of the U.S. and the P.M. of G.B. and possibly others and
certainly repeated by a very large percent of the US population.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bob wrote in news:3d361467-a62a-4f7a-8c00-370b357086c3
@31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:

Unfortuanly the
worlds reputable scientest doall all agree.................. humans
impact the worlds climate.


That statement is just plain FALSE! The scientists do NOT agree. They
cannot agree.

You warmists LOVE to try to make oil company funding into the pollution of
the science. That's simply untrue, too! You've been drinking too much
Greenpeace Koolaid!



--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

Larry wrote:
Bob wrote in news:3d361467-a62a-4f7a-8c00-370b357086c3
@31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:

Unfortuanly the
worlds reputable scientest doall all agree.................. humans
impact the worlds climate.


That statement is just plain FALSE! The scientists do NOT agree. They
cannot agree.



Actually, most do agree that people affect the atmosphere.........to
a degree, however miniscule.
Gordon

Gordon wrote in
m:

miniscule

Excellent word, "miniscule". Human CO2 generation equates to 9.6 ounces of
a 10,000 gallon swimming pool.

"Miniscule", indeed!

--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

Bruce wrote in
:

I could go on but no one is going to listen. No, they would rather
ride around in their SUV and weep crocodile tears.



Step one would be to forbid aircraft from taking off. Everyone on the
planet can live without airplanes, jet engines spewing out billions of tons
per year of CO2 from their kerosene burners.

That ALONE will stop this nonsense in its tracks. IMPORTANT people, the
elite among us, are the ones in the airplanes. They would never give it
up....jetsetters.

So, their solution is to turn it into a TAX. TAX controls the masses and
the super rich simply pay up as it amounts to such a tiny part of their
massive wealth. CARBON TAX and $10/gallon gas has no effect on
billionaires at all....a pittance in their world....that brings MY world to
its knees!

TAX can fix any environmental problem!

--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

On Fri, 14 May 2010 19:49:52 +0000, Larry wrote:

CARBON TAX and $10/gallon gas has no effect on
billionaires at all....a pittance in their world....that brings MY world to
its knees!

I thought you were running super cheap bio diesel ?

$10 gas would actually be good for the country over the long term. It
would accelerate research efforts for energy independance and help to
reduce the balance of payments defecit. A lot of gasoline gets
burned unnecessarily just because it is still relatively cheap.

Wayne.B wrote in
:

I thought you were running super cheap bio diesel ?



No, my diesel cars run on a 50:1 mixture of used veggie oil, mostly canola,
and mineral spirits (paint thinner), nearly for free.

The stepvan has a frybrid in it....starts on diesel and switches to hot
filtered veggie oil after about 2 miles then runs for free!

My fuel consumption is in the Honda Reflex scooter...about $6/week.


--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

WaIIy wrote in
:

On Sat, 15 May 2010 04:07:10 +0000, Larry wrote:

My fuel consumption is in the Honda Reflex scooter...about $6/week.

Hey bud, I have a Helix.


Mine's a 2004. Bought it from the local Vespa dealer someone turned in
with 1900 miles on it for a 125 Vespa. He wanted a less powerful
scooter. I think your 250 motor must be about the same motor. Reflex
just snazzed up the plastic. The Chinese make the same scooter without
the Honda profit load on it for lots less. We compared the two. Mine
has a parking brake. Theirs has an FM stereo radio built into the panel
over where my parking brake lever is mounted and those little "air
conditioner" holes we never figured out the use for is where the stereo
speakers are mounted!

http://www.powersportsmax.com/produc...roducts_id/634

Hmm...price dropped again! $1649 brand new. Honda wanted $4700 for it.
It's the SAME scooter.....

The Honda drive belt is $82 at local Honda dealers. Our chinese scooter
shop sold me the EXACT same belt, right down to the brand name for $18!

Guess whos parts I buy....(c;]

I live in Charleston, SC. Been as far away as Columbia and Myrtle Beach
on mine. Went to Myrtle Beach with two friends driving noisy custom
Harley's. They took me along as a joke, expecting to leave me along
side the highway. I was bound to stay with them and they finally gave
up around 75 before we got ticketed....hee hee.

"How fast will it go?", everyone always asks. "I don't know! The cops
don't want me to find out.", is my answer....(c;]

BTW, State Farm, my car insurance company sells me $100K/$300K/$50K
liability insurance for it for $23/year. Uninsured motorist coverage is
another $32/year, here. THat makes it cheap to keep, too!



--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry