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How is life aboard Flying Pig different from my life ashore?

1: Flying Pig is a boat. Aside from times in the boatyard, where it's up
on stilts on shore, it's in constant motion. This takes some getting used
to, but most accommodate it very well.

2: "Local" transportation is by dinghy, a small inflatable boat. Depending
on weather conditions, sometimes we get wet going from the boat to any other
location. It's also nowhere near as fast as your car, so it takes longer.
Despite its small size and related small motor, the mileage on the dinghy is
far worse than the worst clunker you'll have ever driven, so frequent
fillups of the 6-gallon tank are needed during high activity periods. And,
lest you be worried, we've frequently carried 5 or six adults aboard the
dinghy, so it's not THAT small!

3: Electricity and water are not delivered through a pipe and wire, in as
much volume as you care to pay for; we have to make our own electricity, and
carry our water. In many locations, water is either unavailable, or we have
to carry it in via jugs, and, while in some areas it's free, most of the
time we have to pay for it. Electricity is stored in massive batteries, and
has to be generated to replace what's used. Accordingly, in both cases,
we're extremely conservative in what we use. See What Might I Not Like
About Life Aboard Flying Pig? below.

4: Accomodations, for a boat, are generous, but very small by home
standards. The best place on the boat for sleeping in "normal" (not rough
seas) weather is in what's called the VEE berth, so called because of its
shape. It's a 7-foot equilateral triangle, and accomodates most "normal"
sized couples handily, though, of necessity, the feet tend to be touching
sometimes. Ventilation up front, being faced into the wind most of the time
at anchor, is the best in that cabin. Better yet, it's got an 8"
Tempur-Pedic mattress, described by many of our guests as the best sleeping
they've ever encountered, including having back pain disappear. Secondary
accommodations, for times when it might be too rough for comfort (the front
of the boat moves the most, in all motion-sensitive conditions) are in the
saloon, what boat people call their family room/dining room/living room, in
a pull-out double (48"x79" and tapering to less at the foot). This is the
best place for sleeping in rough conditions, as it's nearly in the center of
the boat, and has the least motion of any space aboard.

5: Bathroom and shower space is combined. Nearly everything on a boat
which is expected to get water in it is waterproof, so the marine toilet and
sink occupy the shower space as well. As it's "imported"/stored water, see
#3 above for reference, fresh water showers are rare, so getting the "rest"
of the space wet usually isn't of any issue, and when it IS used for
showering, a squeegie and washcloth make all dry again. Being a marine head,
it's got a smaller than household seat, and there are some issues about its
use which are different from at home, which will be discussed in "What Might
I Not Like About Life Aboard Flying Pig?" below.

6: Refrigerator and freezer space is limited, and uses the power we so
jealously conserve. Accordingly, the amount of food which can be stored is
less than at home. Likewise, as it's not a household refrigerator/freezer,
with its unlimited power supply and auto-defrost mechanisms, openings are
limited to as few as possible. That said, cold stuff stays very cold, and
frozen stuff stays hard frozen.

7: "Closet" space is a misnomer. Every boat has challenges with storage,
of every sort, and, aside from the VEE, every otherwise-hanging space has
been converted into shelves-type storage aboard. While there IS a closet in
the VEE, storing typical checked hard luggage is nearly impossible, unless
you want to sleep with it. So, soft luggage which can be rolled, stuffed,
compressed, or otherwise compacted into flexible spaces is the order of the
day.

8: For many reasons, we don't have a washer and dryer aboard, though some
do. Therefore, you can't just dump in a load and retrieve your clean
laundry in a while. Pretty much, what you bring goes back dirty with you.

9: Space aboard, while generous for most sailboats, is very much less than
landside living spaces. "Excuse me" because you need to get by someone
while going from "here" to "there" aboard is common. Nevertheless, our home
was designed originally as a charter boat, and in its original
configuration, could manage 11 people for sleeping (5 of those spaces have
been converted to other uses, now) and meals. Still, spaces are sometimes
close for those accustomed to multi-digit feet distances between them and
other objects or people.

10: Because of #s 1, 4 and 9, not only will it make your life easier, but,
under way, safer, if everything not in active use is stored and secured. If
you trip over it, or, worse, it flies off where ever it was put and hits
you, it's a safety hazard to have stuff lying out in the open. That means
we'll be "neat nazis" about stuff left out when it's not being used.

11: We have neither TV nor broadband internet connectivity aboard, though
we frequently will have an excellent connection to the internet. Therefore,
there's none of the shoreside mind-numbers available.

So, that's about it for the major differences from shore to our home.

What Might I Not Like About Life Aboard Flying Pig?

1: Everything's more expensive than it is at home. That's because
everything must be flown in, boated in, or hand-carried, many times all
three, to get it from - for example, the US or Europe or elsewhere - source
to destination. In addition, most countries have no tax on purchases of any
sort, so duties are added to everything which comes in. That makes it
difficult - usually impossible - for merchants of all descriptions to
provide the variety, freshness, and affordability that most Americans take
for granted. Generally speaking, you can expect, WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE, that
food, gasoline, clothing, marine supplies, repair parts, souvenirs, yada,
yada, will cost a minimum of half again to as much as triple what you'd find
stateside.

2: Food, in general: Because of #1, as much as possible, we bring what we
can. As we don't expect to be in the US again with our home (though we may
visit from time to time via air transport, provisioning by carrying-back
stuff is either impractical or impossible), eventually even what we have
brought will be used up. However, things that do well with long-term
storage and take up a minimum of space are basic staples to life aboard.
Thus, fresh vegetables (see above about availability and cost), most meats
(ditto), and some other foodstuffs taken for granted at home are many times
unavailable, frequently unstorable, and, always, much more expensive. So,
we do lots of pasta, legumes, rice and the like, along with PBJs. In the
proper conditions (cooler weather, calm seas), we bake fresh bread. Milk is
made from freeze-dried; we enjoy it, but you may not. Soft drinks, OJ, beer
and other commercial beverages, when available, are cold, but we can't carry
very much stock; we drink mostly water or lemonade/Gatorade made from lemon
juice/Gatorade powder and water. When we succeed at it (not nearly as often
as we'd like) we very much enjoy fresh (like, swimming an hour ago) fish,
conch or other shellfish when we can find it, and the Caribbean equivalent
of lobster (no claws). In any event, likely our diet will not be what
you're accustomed to at home. While we don't ask our guests to contribute
to our costs of having them here, we also don't change our lifestyles to
accommodate their preferences. Some of our guests prefer to provision
(stock up on food for the voyage) to their taste on arrival, and we'll then
eat what it is they've provided, or to take us out to meals ashore, but it's
not required other than to suit your preferences. We can eat what we
normally do, or you can change that to suit your preferences. See #1 for
impact

3: Because fresh water is at such a premium both in amount we can carry,
availability/difficulty of transport and/or cost, we normally bathe in the
sea. We have salt-water friendly soap which lathers and rinses well in salt
water, and we've found that if you dry immediately after getting out from
your rinse, you don't get the salt stickies/residue from the salt water. We
reserve those towels for salt water use.

4: Similarly, we wash and rinse our dishes/cooking utensils in salt water
(we have a salt water tap in the kitchen sink), then rinse with fresh. They
get clean, and are rinsed, but it takes an additional step. Ditto for
handwashing (cleaning your hands, that is!). In addition, generally
speaking, if there's not something under the water stream being either
filled or rinsed, we'll want you to close the faucet. However, #s 3&4,
we do carry a substantial amount of fresh water, and in areas where there is
a ready and easy (at a cost, usually) supply, where, when we run out (it
always does, eventually) it can be simply refilled, if our guests want to
provide it, we alter our salt-water bathing/fresh-water use to as-you-like.

5: Electricity has to be made, and the storage (huge battery bank) we have
available, while ample under careful management, is finite. If the sun's
not brilliant (we have solar panels) and the wind piping (wind generator),
we sometimes have to run a small portable generator to replenish our
electricity. In addition to the cost and noise of that generation, if the
batteries run down too much before recharging, they're damaged. To limit
the amount of electricity needed, nearly all the lighting aboard is either
high-efficiency fluorescent or LED spot-lighting. You may not enjoy those
lighting levels. In addition, we limit electricity use to only as-needed.
If you're not sitting under it, we'll want you to turn off the light, for
example. Sort of like your parents' "Turn the light off when you leave the
room" on steroids.

6: Limited space makes for strange bedfellows, so to speak. In addtion,
the foregoing may be a bit like camping for some folks - similar, perhaps to
RV'ing, other than the limitation that you can't just walk out the door and
go someplace else - and if you're not accustomed to it, it can be
challenging. Physical, mental and noise space is limited. You may find
that uncomfortable. That said, you have your own cabin, and, in settled
weather, lots of space on deck or on the platform at the stern of the boat,
so you CAN "get away" from others.

7: While there's not the always-on TV noise and distractions of the typical
shore life home, there are other noises present aboard. While we do what we
can to minimize it, "halyard slap" (a line hitting the mast, making a
noise), wind, sometimes, the aforementioned generator and other boat-related
and unfamiliar noises are pretty much a fact of life. None of these, other
than to active cruisers, are likely to be something you're accustomed to.

8: Most of the time, whether you have and bring a cell phone, you'll not be
able to pick up the phone and call someone at your whim (or get the calls
you're accustomed to receiving, of course). That's because of international
differences and the fact that we may be (usually) nowhere near a cell
connection point. We have a state-of-the-art WiFi system aboard Flying Pig
and are not usually without internet connectivity, even, many times, while
we're under way. However, sometimes the quality, consistency and continuity
(always there) is of the third world, which is basically where we are when
we're cruising. When we have an excellent internet connection AND there
aren't a pile of people already using it AND that connection has a good
supply of bandwidth, our Vonage internet telephone service does allow
calling anywhere in the US, Canada, UK and 4 other European countries (and
anywhere to call us) at no additional charge to our basic service. However,
the foregoing conditions make it such that those opportunities are limited.
If you're accustomed to being constantly connected via voice, you'll find
that a distinct limitation.

9: We have a very small hand washer, capable of several T-shirts, to give
you an idea of size, but, at that, rarely use it due to water storage and
availability considerations. Because laundry isn't avaliable on board, and,
when available (only sometimes!) ashore, is not only inconvenient but
expensive, we ask our guests to bring their own linens - sheets, towels,
pillowcases and, sometimes, their own pillows, in addition to their own
clothing, of course. That allows us not to have to find a way to clean them
when they leave. However, see # 3 above; eventually, bedding will have some
salt residue accumulation, sometimes just from the salt air, let alone your
own bodies, and therefore it won't be the same as freshly laundered. If
that's a problem for you, you'll have to bring a change of linens to meet
your comfort standards, most likely.

10: Related to #9, and just generally, as it's our preference, as we're
predominantly in very warm (not uncomfortably so) climates, we tend to wear
very little clothing, not only for comfort but for laundry considerations.
Worse, Skip's and Lydia's preferred bathing suits are bikini-style. Skip's
gotten a new wardrobe of less-revealing bikinis, but, they're still
bikinis - just as you'll find the dominant swimwear for men in European
countries (you could google Euro beach sites for reference, if you're not
familiar with the type). Lydia's aren't thong/string style, either, but
they are bikini bottoms and tops. If you're uncomfortable with exposed
skin, and/or form-fitting swimwear for either or both of us, you're likely
to be uncomfortable aboard.

11: Being a boat, motion is a fact of life. Sometimes that motion can be
uncomfortable if you're not accustomed to it. Seasickness, in its severe
forms, is a condition in which most folks first are afraid they might die,
and then afraid they might NOT die We have very effective seasickness
prevention medication aboard, and taken early, usually mitigates any
effects. However, in REALLY severe weather, even the most seasoned sailors
sometimes suffer the mal-de-mer. It will pass. However, if you're prone to
seasickness, you may find life aboard uncomfortable at times.

12: If you're not an active cruiser, marine toilets ("heads") can be both a
mystery and a nuisance. Not only is the seat smaller (altogether round,
too), unlike at home, where you just push the lever, it goes away, and the
municipal supply refills it, here, you have to work at sanitation. Sea
water has to be pumped into the bowl which was previously pumped dry (see
below), using a lever. Anything in the toilet is moved out via the same
pump. However, unlike ashore, it's not only a measly 1.5" instead of 4"
like home sanitation , it has to go through some interesting bends and
devices designed to keep the waste from returning to the toilet. More
pumping and whatever it was which goes down there has to come from
something you ate and toilet paper. Anything else won't fit and will jam up
the works - and if it was you who jammed it up, we'll show you how to
rebuild the toilet (take the pump mechanism apart to free whatever is
caught - with it and any other substances unavoidably coming out into the
shower/toilet area - you probably get the picture on why you'll want to
avoid that!) so it will work again. Worse, because an innate feature of
combined salt water and urine is to create scale if it sits anywhere for any
length of time, a major rinse is done to keep the pipes from scale
accumulation, reducing the likelihood of diminishing from their
already-small size (more pumping). And, finally, to empty the pipe of all
that rinse water, where it goes above the waterline (the rest goes down from
there, but you wouldn't want the sea to make back pressure on the line),
more pumps of just air (not letting back in the seawater which does the
flushing). You'll develop muscles you didn't know you had in this process
(it's not difficult, but very repetitive).

13: Our time ashore is nearly all afoot and looky-loo. That is, we don't
do tours, rent cars, pay for museums, and the like. There's lots to see and
do without cash expenditures, so we don't, in light of our budget. If your
idea of cruising is marinas, tours, maybe hotels, dinners out/pub-bar
entertainment and the like, we're happy to join you as your guests - but
we don't need it.

That's about it for what's not to like. For a humorous, but not very
inaccurate, view of living aboard, go to
http://www.rogerlongboats.com/Liveaboard.htm This was written by a good
friend of ours, Larry Butler, our HAM radio and component-level electronics
repair guru, and hosted by Roger Long, another good friend of ours who's a
marine architect. It's oriented toward marina living while not in transit,
something extremely rare for us due to the costs associated with it, so add
going to shore in the dinghy rather than just stepping onto the dock to all
you see in the simulator

If all that doesn't put you off, I'm sure you'll enjoy your time with us.

What will I do aboard?

Life aboard Flying Pig is greatly determined by the weather, so:

1: Weather permitting and location-appropriate, we love to dive/snorkel
and, where available, forage underwater for food (gather shellfish/spear
fish/lobster). Bring your flippers and mask/snorkel if that appeals to you
also. You might also like having an underwater camera, if you have one; we
do, and will share, if you don't. Many places have stunning photo-ops.
Swimming, usually in gin-clear water, too, if that's your thing.

2: Getting from one place to another is usually by sailing (we are, after
all, a SAILboat). However, sometimes, we'll either motorsail, or just motor
our way from one point to the next. We much prefer not to have our
propulsion motor going, not only for the noise, but for the cost, and,
mostly, because sailing's a lot more fun. If you like, you'll help with all
that's associated with that, or you can just watch. If you want, we'll
teach you about the many different "ropes" (all named something else aboard)
and what they do - along with how they control stuff, and how to recognize
when things are set correctly or for best performance, navigation,
anchoring, reading the water, weather, the various instruments aboard, radio
communications and the like. Generally speaking, we won't be under way if
conditions are "difficult" to your comfort level, unless you've joined us
specifically for a passage, in which case, we take what's delivered;
unavoidably that sometimes includes nasty weather or water or both.

3: Once "there" we usually like to explore ashore. Whether that's just
beachcombing, sightseeing (local attractions - artists, sculptors,
lighthouses, wildlife), walking (beaches, wilderness, little towns along the
way, and their architecture and shops), or anything else unusual.

4: Read. Bring paperback books. There's lots of down time, particularly
if you're not interested in helping or learning about the transit-related
stuff. If the weather stinks, we're largely cooped up aboard. If it's just
blowing like stink, as they say on the water, if the dinghy ride isn't too
daunting (distance, water conditions), we can go ashore, but otherwise, we
can read in such conditions. You may want to bring something waterproof,
like a windbreaker, for wet transits or times when we might be in rain
conditions.

5: Cook, if you like. We have a propane grill, propane stove and oven, all
of which are reasonably close in behavior to those ashore. We also have a
reasonable assortment of the usual hardware associated with those
activities. If you like to cook or bake, we're happy to have you do so. If
not, we're happy, of course, to do that. However, sharing in the cleanup
chores is appreciated (see above about seawater washing/rinsing, and
modifications to that plan based on water realities).

6: Go rowing, if you like. We have a PortaBote, in addition to our
inflatable, which has dinghy oars as well as actual sculling sweeps (10'
oars I used to use in my rowing shell on Lake Lanier) which go in the
modification I did to that boat.

7: Go exploring on your own. Same PortaBote, we have a second outboard
engine suited to that dinghy, and it will readily plane 2 for quick transit.

Back to weather considerations, we usually recommend more than a week with
us, as you could be totally shut out of recreational (other than, perhaps,
sailing) activties if the weather was wrong. We've learned that 10-12 days
is ideal, and best if done when we're already somewhere that we have scouted
for the best "entertainment" activities, so that time doesn't interfere with
your enjoyment.

What should I bring?

1: As above, linens. We suggest about three changes of clothing (unless
you want to be bathing-suited most of the time, as we are) plus, perhaps,
extra underwear, and at least two bathing suits (one on the line, drying,
the other to wear). Something to keep you dry if things get messy
weatherwise, as in #2 in "What will I do aboard?". Mostly, other than
coming from a very cold climate, and you need something for your return, you
won't need much in the way of "warm" clothing, because we're mostly in warm
areas. Sometimes it might get to 50 degrees F, but that's rare. Life aboard
isn't very different from camping in regard to clothing, otherwise.

2: Snorkeling gear to suit, if you want to do that. We have several spare
pairs of flippers and a few masks and snorkels available aboard, but can't
guarantee that they'd fit you. If you're experienced, already, likely you
have something you'd prefer, in any event. Those items will generally live
in the dinghy until you leave, so it's not a space issue once you're aboard.

3: Books to suit you. We have a fairly extensive library aboard, but it
may not all appeal to you. Our books are mystery, marine (about boating)
and classical ("great literature") in nature. For both this and #1, we have
bins to store stuff, as well as the closet, in your cabin. However, you
should bring any "stuff" in soft luggage which can be compressed or
otherwise made to fit in unusually shaped space so as to reserve as much as
possible for your stuff you want out of the soft luggage. Generally
speaking, something which would travel as carry-on luggage on the airline,
for each of you, will easily fit in the space you have available to you.
And, just to relieve your mind somewhat, while duffels are certainly the
preference, the closet is substantial and will easily handle a wheeled
pull-behind.

3: Money to suit your lifestyle as relates to stuff to buy, of any sort.
Your time aboard is "on us" as above, but you may wish to buy stuff to take
home, do any ashore-adventure stuff other than our walkabouts mentioned, and
the like.

4: Camera(s) - surface and underwater, if you have them. We can download
any digital images you have for backup, if you like.

5: Laptop(s) if you simply can't be without them. When we have internet
connectivity, we have a router aboard which will give you access. We turn
off the AC power (like at-home plugs - we're not ENTIRELY backwoods) when we
aren't using the computers, but you can keep your batteries up. Likewise, if
you use rechargeable batteries in your phone/camera/whatever, we have the
power available when we're running the computer, as Skip's screen requires
AC.

6: Various items we might have to ask you to buy for us, which we'll of
course pay you for, because they're either not available where we are, or
exhorbitantly costly, or are emergency parts.

For detailed looks at our home, go to the gallery link below. Click on the
Flying Pig Interiors gallery front page for a look around, and, if you'd
like, browse through the various other galleries' front pages. In all
cases, if clicking the picture doesn't open more galleries (the picture in
this case would be the "front page"), clicking any image will allow you to
look at larger views.

That's about it. If you're still motivated, we look forward to having you
aboard!

L8R

Skip and Lydia

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How is life aboard Flying Pig different from my life ashore?


That's about it. If you're still motivated, we look forward to having you
aboard!

L8R

Skip and Lydia


Might want to touch on sea sickness?

(or maybe not!?)
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Skip,
disregard. I caught it the second time through...
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Gladly - never mind all that nonsense.

Here is the REAL Flying Pig FAQ


1) make yourselves right at home in our home.

2) it's really no different than your home ashore

3) we mostly stay anchored in calm water so F.P. will feel just like your
home on a foundation

4) we have just as many or more electronic gadgets than the average home.

5) we produce and use about the same amount of kilowatt hours over the
course of a week.

5) we carry about the same amount of food as you have in your pantry

6) we also have a big refrigerator/freezer, the wife is a great cook

7) we have Internet

8) Sails? Never mind those - we use the motor almost exclusively

9) we run a petrol generator when the sun isn't shining or the wind isn't
blowing

10) we make enough noise to wake the dead so you will have your privacy
because nobody wants to anchor within a mile of us.



There is it - short and sweet.


Wilbur Hubbard



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4,224 words

but the voice is different in this post. Seems easier to read and less
fussy.

Hey skip who wrot this or did you double up on your maintenence meds

Did I miss the part of your 4K+ blabering where you describe the
required SAFETY DRILLS? or DUTY STATIONS of all visitors on board the
Pig??

Pleae tell me you at least have an orientation??????
After all when lydia is drunk and you are incopcitated from that pre
existing medical condition WHO will know how to call for help?

Bob




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Oh ya I forgot....... non of that silly stuff like safety orientations
or basic maritime responsibilities are needed on the PIg since the pig
is a Winabago Class vessel. OH, but I thought SKIP was a USCG Licensed
MASTER. Are you really using the Pig as an IRS Schedule C Sole
Propieter Hobby Loss deduction?? You are really stepin in deep ****
SKip.

May God bless the ignorant and those who walk on the Pig.
Bob
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Thanks,
I liked it.

Flying Pig wrote:
Comments, please...

How is life aboard Flying Pig different from my life ashore?

1: Flying Pig is a boat. Aside from times in the boatyard, where it's up
on stilts on shore, it's in constant motion. This takes some getting used
to, but most accommodate it very well.

2: "Local" transportation is by dinghy, a small inflatable boat. Depending
on weather conditions, sometimes we get wet going from the boat to any other
location. It's also nowhere near as fast as your car, so it takes longer.
Despite its small size and related small motor, the mileage on the dinghy is
far worse than the worst clunker you'll have ever driven, so frequent
fillups of the 6-gallon tank are needed during high activity periods. And,
lest you be worried, we've frequently carried 5 or six adults aboard the
dinghy, so it's not THAT small!

3: Electricity and water are not delivered through a pipe and wire, in as
much volume as you care to pay for; we have to make our own electricity, and
carry our water. In many locations, water is either unavailable, or we have
to carry it in via jugs, and, while in some areas it's free, most of the
time we have to pay for it. Electricity is stored in massive batteries, and
has to be generated to replace what's used. Accordingly, in both cases,
we're extremely conservative in what we use. See What Might I Not Like
About Life Aboard Flying Pig? below.

4: Accomodations, for a boat, are generous, but very small by home
standards. The best place on the boat for sleeping in "normal" (not rough
seas) weather is in what's called the VEE berth, so called because of its
shape. It's a 7-foot equilateral triangle, and accomodates most "normal"
sized couples handily, though, of necessity, the feet tend to be touching
sometimes. Ventilation up front, being faced into the wind most of the time
at anchor, is the best in that cabin. Better yet, it's got an 8"
Tempur-Pedic mattress, described by many of our guests as the best sleeping
they've ever encountered, including having back pain disappear. Secondary
accommodations, for times when it might be too rough for comfort (the front
of the boat moves the most, in all motion-sensitive conditions) are in the
saloon, what boat people call their family room/dining room/living room, in
a pull-out double (48"x79" and tapering to less at the foot). This is the
best place for sleeping in rough conditions, as it's nearly in the center of
the boat, and has the least motion of any space aboard.

5: Bathroom and shower space is combined. Nearly everything on a boat
which is expected to get water in it is waterproof, so the marine toilet and
sink occupy the shower space as well. As it's "imported"/stored water, see
#3 above for reference, fresh water showers are rare, so getting the "rest"
of the space wet usually isn't of any issue, and when it IS used for
showering, a squeegie and washcloth make all dry again. Being a marine head,
it's got a smaller than household seat, and there are some issues about its
use which are different from at home, which will be discussed in "What Might
I Not Like About Life Aboard Flying Pig?" below.

6: Refrigerator and freezer space is limited, and uses the power we so
jealously conserve. Accordingly, the amount of food which can be stored is
less than at home. Likewise, as it's not a household refrigerator/freezer,
with its unlimited power supply and auto-defrost mechanisms, openings are
limited to as few as possible. That said, cold stuff stays very cold, and
frozen stuff stays hard frozen.

7: "Closet" space is a misnomer. Every boat has challenges with storage,
of every sort, and, aside from the VEE, every otherwise-hanging space has
been converted into shelves-type storage aboard. While there IS a closet in
the VEE, storing typical checked hard luggage is nearly impossible, unless
you want to sleep with it. So, soft luggage which can be rolled, stuffed,
compressed, or otherwise compacted into flexible spaces is the order of the
day.

8: For many reasons, we don't have a washer and dryer aboard, though some
do. Therefore, you can't just dump in a load and retrieve your clean
laundry in a while. Pretty much, what you bring goes back dirty with you.

9: Space aboard, while generous for most sailboats, is very much less than
landside living spaces. "Excuse me" because you need to get by someone
while going from "here" to "there" aboard is common. Nevertheless, our home
was designed originally as a charter boat, and in its original
configuration, could manage 11 people for sleeping (5 of those spaces have
been converted to other uses, now) and meals. Still, spaces are sometimes
close for those accustomed to multi-digit feet distances between them and
other objects or people.

10: Because of #s 1, 4 and 9, not only will it make your life easier, but,
under way, safer, if everything not in active use is stored and secured. If
you trip over it, or, worse, it flies off where ever it was put and hits
you, it's a safety hazard to have stuff lying out in the open. That means
we'll be "neat nazis" about stuff left out when it's not being used.

11: We have neither TV nor broadband internet connectivity aboard, though
we frequently will have an excellent connection to the internet. Therefore,
there's none of the shoreside mind-numbers available.

So, that's about it for the major differences from shore to our home.

What Might I Not Like About Life Aboard Flying Pig?

1: Everything's more expensive than it is at home. That's because
everything must be flown in, boated in, or hand-carried, many times all
three, to get it from - for example, the US or Europe or elsewhere - source
to destination. In addition, most countries have no tax on purchases of any
sort, so duties are added to everything which comes in. That makes it
difficult - usually impossible - for merchants of all descriptions to
provide the variety, freshness, and affordability that most Americans take
for granted. Generally speaking, you can expect, WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE, that
food, gasoline, clothing, marine supplies, repair parts, souvenirs, yada,
yada, will cost a minimum of half again to as much as triple what you'd find
stateside.

2: Food, in general: Because of #1, as much as possible, we bring what we
can. As we don't expect to be in the US again with our home (though we may
visit from time to time via air transport, provisioning by carrying-back
stuff is either impractical or impossible), eventually even what we have
brought will be used up. However, things that do well with long-term
storage and take up a minimum of space are basic staples to life aboard.
Thus, fresh vegetables (see above about availability and cost), most meats
(ditto), and some other foodstuffs taken for granted at home are many times
unavailable, frequently unstorable, and, always, much more expensive. So,
we do lots of pasta, legumes, rice and the like, along with PBJs. In the
proper conditions (cooler weather, calm seas), we bake fresh bread. Milk is
made from freeze-dried; we enjoy it, but you may not. Soft drinks, OJ, beer
and other commercial beverages, when available, are cold, but we can't carry
very much stock; we drink mostly water or lemonade/Gatorade made from lemon
juice/Gatorade powder and water. When we succeed at it (not nearly as often
as we'd like) we very much enjoy fresh (like, swimming an hour ago) fish,
conch or other shellfish when we can find it, and the Caribbean equivalent
of lobster (no claws). In any event, likely our diet will not be what
you're accustomed to at home. While we don't ask our guests to contribute
to our costs of having them here, we also don't change our lifestyles to
accommodate their preferences. Some of our guests prefer to provision
(stock up on food for the voyage) to their taste on arrival, and we'll then
eat what it is they've provided, or to take us out to meals ashore, but it's
not required other than to suit your preferences. We can eat what we
normally do, or you can change that to suit your preferences. See #1 for
impact

3: Because fresh water is at such a premium both in amount we can carry,
availability/difficulty of transport and/or cost, we normally bathe in the
sea. We have salt-water friendly soap which lathers and rinses well in salt
water, and we've found that if you dry immediately after getting out from
your rinse, you don't get the salt stickies/residue from the salt water. We
reserve those towels for salt water use.

4: Similarly, we wash and rinse our dishes/cooking utensils in salt water
(we have a salt water tap in the kitchen sink), then rinse with fresh. They
get clean, and are rinsed, but it takes an additional step. Ditto for
handwashing (cleaning your hands, that is!). In addition, generally
speaking, if there's not something under the water stream being either
filled or rinsed, we'll want you to close the faucet. However, #s 3&4,
we do carry a substantial amount of fresh water, and in areas where there is
a ready and easy (at a cost, usually) supply, where, when we run out (it
always does, eventually) it can be simply refilled, if our guests want to
provide it, we alter our salt-water bathing/fresh-water use to as-you-like.

5: Electricity has to be made, and the storage (huge battery bank) we have
available, while ample under careful management, is finite. If the sun's
not brilliant (we have solar panels) and the wind piping (wind generator),
we sometimes have to run a small portable generator to replenish our
electricity. In addition to the cost and noise of that generation, if the
batteries run down too much before recharging, they're damaged. To limit
the amount of electricity needed, nearly all the lighting aboard is either
high-efficiency fluorescent or LED spot-lighting. You may not enjoy those
lighting levels. In addition, we limit electricity use to only as-needed.
If you're not sitting under it, we'll want you to turn off the light, for
example. Sort of like your parents' "Turn the light off when you leave the
room" on steroids.

6: Limited space makes for strange bedfellows, so to speak. In addtion,
the foregoing may be a bit like camping for some folks - similar, perhaps to
RV'ing, other than the limitation that you can't just walk out the door and
go someplace else - and if you're not accustomed to it, it can be
challenging. Physical, mental and noise space is limited. You may find
that uncomfortable. That said, you have your own cabin, and, in settled
weather, lots of space on deck or on the platform at the stern of the boat,
so you CAN "get away" from others.

7: While there's not the always-on TV noise and distractions of the typical
shore life home, there are other noises present aboard. While we do what we
can to minimize it, "halyard slap" (a line hitting the mast, making a
noise), wind, sometimes, the aforementioned generator and other boat-related
and unfamiliar noises are pretty much a fact of life. None of these, other
than to active cruisers, are likely to be something you're accustomed to.

8: Most of the time, whether you have and bring a cell phone, you'll not be
able to pick up the phone and call someone at your whim (or get the calls
you're accustomed to receiving, of course). That's because of international
differences and the fact that we may be (usually) nowhere near a cell
connection point. We have a state-of-the-art WiFi system aboard Flying Pig
and are not usually without internet connectivity, even, many times, while
we're under way. However, sometimes the quality, consistency and continuity
(always there) is of the third world, which is basically where we are when
we're cruising. When we have an excellent internet connection AND there
aren't a pile of people already using it AND that connection has a good
supply of bandwidth, our Vonage internet telephone service does allow
calling anywhere in the US, Canada, UK and 4 other European countries (and
anywhere to call us) at no additional charge to our basic service. However,
the foregoing conditions make it such that those opportunities are limited.
If you're accustomed to being constantly connected via voice, you'll find
that a distinct limitation.

9: We have a very small hand washer, capable of several T-shirts, to give
you an idea of size, but, at that, rarely use it due to water storage and
availability considerations. Because laundry isn't avaliable on board, and,
when available (only sometimes!) ashore, is not only inconvenient but
expensive, we ask our guests to bring their own linens - sheets, towels,
pillowcases and, sometimes, their own pillows, in addition to their own
clothing, of course. That allows us not to have to find a way to clean them
when they leave. However, see # 3 above; eventually, bedding will have some
salt residue accumulation, sometimes just from the salt air, let alone your
own bodies, and therefore it won't be the same as freshly laundered. If
that's a problem for you, you'll have to bring a change of linens to meet
your comfort standards, most likely.

10: Related to #9, and just generally, as it's our preference, as we're
predominantly in very warm (not uncomfortably so) climates, we tend to wear
very little clothing, not only for comfort but for laundry considerations.
Worse, Skip's and Lydia's preferred bathing suits are bikini-style. Skip's
gotten a new wardrobe of less-revealing bikinis, but, they're still
bikinis - just as you'll find the dominant swimwear for men in European
countries (you could google Euro beach sites for reference, if you're not
familiar with the type). Lydia's aren't thong/string style, either, but
they are bikini bottoms and tops. If you're uncomfortable with exposed
skin, and/or form-fitting swimwear for either or both of us, you're likely
to be uncomfortable aboard.

11: Being a boat, motion is a fact of life. Sometimes that motion can be
uncomfortable if you're not accustomed to it. Seasickness, in its severe
forms, is a condition in which most folks first are afraid they might die,
and then afraid they might NOT die We have very effective seasickness
prevention medication aboard, and taken early, usually mitigates any
effects. However, in REALLY severe weather, even the most seasoned sailors
sometimes suffer the mal-de-mer. It will pass. However, if you're prone to
seasickness, you may find life aboard uncomfortable at times.

12: If you're not an active cruiser, marine toilets ("heads") can be both a
mystery and a nuisance. Not only is the seat smaller (altogether round,
too), unlike at home, where you just push the lever, it goes away, and the
municipal supply refills it, here, you have to work at sanitation. Sea
water has to be pumped into the bowl which was previously pumped dry (see
below), using a lever. Anything in the toilet is moved out via the same
pump. However, unlike ashore, it's not only a measly 1.5" instead of 4"
like home sanitation , it has to go through some interesting bends and
devices designed to keep the waste from returning to the toilet. More
pumping and whatever it was which goes down there has to come from
something you ate and toilet paper. Anything else won't fit and will jam up
the works - and if it was you who jammed it up, we'll show you how to
rebuild the toilet (take the pump mechanism apart to free whatever is
caught - with it and any other substances unavoidably coming out into the
shower/toilet area - you probably get the picture on why you'll want to
avoid that!) so it will work again. Worse, because an innate feature of
combined salt water and urine is to create scale if it sits anywhere for any
length of time, a major rinse is done to keep the pipes from scale
accumulation, reducing the likelihood of diminishing from their
already-small size (more pumping). And, finally, to empty the pipe of all
that rinse water, where it goes above the waterline (the rest goes down from
there, but you wouldn't want the sea to make back pressure on the line),
more pumps of just air (not letting back in the seawater which does the
flushing). You'll develop muscles you didn't know you had in this process
(it's not difficult, but very repetitive).

13: Our time ashore is nearly all afoot and looky-loo. That is, we don't
do tours, rent cars, pay for museums, and the like. There's lots to see and
do without cash expenditures, so we don't, in light of our budget. If your
idea of cruising is marinas, tours, maybe hotels, dinners out/pub-bar
entertainment and the like, we're happy to join you as your guests - but
we don't need it.

That's about it for what's not to like. For a humorous, but not very
inaccurate, view of living aboard, go to
http://www.rogerlongboats.com/Liveaboard.htm This was written by a good
friend of ours, Larry Butler, our HAM radio and component-level electronics
repair guru, and hosted by Roger Long, another good friend of ours who's a
marine architect. It's oriented toward marina living while not in transit,
something extremely rare for us due to the costs associated with it, so add
going to shore in the dinghy rather than just stepping onto the dock to all
you see in the simulator

If all that doesn't put you off, I'm sure you'll enjoy your time with us.

What will I do aboard?

Life aboard Flying Pig is greatly determined by the weather, so:

1: Weather permitting and location-appropriate, we love to dive/snorkel
and, where available, forage underwater for food (gather shellfish/spear
fish/lobster). Bring your flippers and mask/snorkel if that appeals to you
also. You might also like having an underwater camera, if you have one; we
do, and will share, if you don't. Many places have stunning photo-ops.
Swimming, usually in gin-clear water, too, if that's your thing.

2: Getting from one place to another is usually by sailing (we are, after
all, a SAILboat). However, sometimes, we'll either motorsail, or just motor
our way from one point to the next. We much prefer not to have our
propulsion motor going, not only for the noise, but for the cost, and,
mostly, because sailing's a lot more fun. If you like, you'll help with all
that's associated with that, or you can just watch. If you want, we'll
teach you about the many different "ropes" (all named something else aboard)
and what they do - along with how they control stuff, and how to recognize
when things are set correctly or for best performance, navigation,
anchoring, reading the water, weather, the various instruments aboard, radio
communications and the like. Generally speaking, we won't be under way if
conditions are "difficult" to your comfort level, unless you've joined us
specifically for a passage, in which case, we take what's delivered;
unavoidably that sometimes includes nasty weather or water or both.

3: Once "there" we usually like to explore ashore. Whether that's just
beachcombing, sightseeing (local attractions - artists, sculptors,
lighthouses, wildlife), walking (beaches, wilderness, little towns along the
way, and their architecture and shops), or anything else unusual.

4: Read. Bring paperback books. There's lots of down time, particularly
if you're not interested in helping or learning about the transit-related
stuff. If the weather stinks, we're largely cooped up aboard. If it's just
blowing like stink, as they say on the water, if the dinghy ride isn't too
daunting (distance, water conditions), we can go ashore, but otherwise, we
can read in such conditions. You may want to bring something waterproof,
like a windbreaker, for wet transits or times when we might be in rain
conditions.

5: Cook, if you like. We have a propane grill, propane stove and oven, all
of which are reasonably close in behavior to those ashore. We also have a
reasonable assortment of the usual hardware associated with those
activities. If you like to cook or bake, we're happy to have you do so. If
not, we're happy, of course, to do that. However, sharing in the cleanup
chores is appreciated (see above about seawater washing/rinsing, and
modifications to that plan based on water realities).

6: Go rowing, if you like. We have a PortaBote, in addition to our
inflatable, which has dinghy oars as well as actual sculling sweeps (10'
oars I used to use in my rowing shell on Lake Lanier) which go in the
modification I did to that boat.

7: Go exploring on your own. Same PortaBote, we have a second outboard
engine suited to that dinghy, and it will readily plane 2 for quick transit.

Back to weather considerations, we usually recommend more than a week with
us, as you could be totally shut out of recreational (other than, perhaps,
sailing) activties if the weather was wrong. We've learned that 10-12 days
is ideal, and best if done when we're already somewhere that we have scouted
for the best "entertainment" activities, so that time doesn't interfere with
your enjoyment.

What should I bring?

1: As above, linens. We suggest about three changes of clothing (unless
you want to be bathing-suited most of the time, as we are) plus, perhaps,
extra underwear, and at least two bathing suits (one on the line, drying,
the other to wear). Something to keep you dry if things get messy
weatherwise, as in #2 in "What will I do aboard?". Mostly, other than
coming from a very cold climate, and you need something for your return, you
won't need much in the way of "warm" clothing, because we're mostly in warm
areas. Sometimes it might get to 50 degrees F, but that's rare. Life aboard
isn't very different from camping in regard to clothing, otherwise.

2: Snorkeling gear to suit, if you want to do that. We have several spare
pairs of flippers and a few masks and snorkels available aboard, but can't
guarantee that they'd fit you. If you're experienced, already, likely you
have something you'd prefer, in any event. Those items will generally live
in the dinghy until you leave, so it's not a space issue once you're aboard.

3: Books to suit you. We have a fairly extensive library aboard, but it
may not all appeal to you. Our books are mystery, marine (about boating)
and classical ("great literature") in nature. For both this and #1, we have
bins to store stuff, as well as the closet, in your cabin. However, you
should bring any "stuff" in soft luggage which can be compressed or
otherwise made to fit in unusually shaped space so as to reserve as much as
possible for your stuff you want out of the soft luggage. Generally
speaking, something which would travel as carry-on luggage on the airline,
for each of you, will easily fit in the space you have available to you.
And, just to relieve your mind somewhat, while duffels are certainly the
preference, the closet is substantial and will easily handle a wheeled
pull-behind.

3: Money to suit your lifestyle as relates to stuff to buy, of any sort.
Your time aboard is "on us" as above, but you may wish to buy stuff to take
home, do any ashore-adventure stuff other than our walkabouts mentioned, and
the like.

4: Camera(s) - surface and underwater, if you have them. We can download
any digital images you have for backup, if you like.

5: Laptop(s) if you simply can't be without them. When we have internet
connectivity, we have a router aboard which will give you access. We turn
off the AC power (like at-home plugs - we're not ENTIRELY backwoods) when we
aren't using the computers, but you can keep your batteries up. Likewise, if
you use rechargeable batteries in your phone/camera/whatever, we have the
power available when we're running the computer, as Skip's screen requires
AC.

6: Various items we might have to ask you to buy for us, which we'll of
course pay you for, because they're either not available where we are, or
exhorbitantly costly, or are emergency parts.

For detailed looks at our home, go to the gallery link below. Click on the
Flying Pig Interiors gallery front page for a look around, and, if you'd
like, browse through the various other galleries' front pages. In all
cases, if clicking the picture doesn't open more galleries (the picture in
this case would be the "front page"), clicking any image will allow you to
look at larger views.

That's about it. If you're still motivated, we look forward to having you
aboard!

L8R

Skip and Lydia

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Comments, please...

How is life aboard Flying Pig different from my life ashore?

1: Flying Pig is a boat. Aside from times in the boatyard, where it's up
on stilts on shore, it's in constant motion. This takes some getting used
to, but most accommodate it very well.

If you know you get seasick and have a remedy that works for you, be
sure to bring it. We (that is Bob and I) have ginger aboard which
works for some folks, but I will not supply prescription medication to
guests (or anyone). Bob's preferred remedy is to have the seasick
person take the wheel and to eat saltines. I personally prefer to
have hot tea and sleep through it

4: Accomodations, for a boat, are generous, but very small by home
standards. The best place on the boat for sleeping in "normal" (not rough
seas) weather is in what's called the VEE berth, so called because of its
shape. It's a 7-foot equilateral triangle, and accomodates most "normal"
sized couples handily, though, of necessity, the feet tend to be touching


We always slept the other way - with our heads close together at the
pointy end. Of course that means that the reading light is at our
feet.

On our boat, the hatch is over our heads and so if it is open and
starts to rain, it rains on our faces and we close it. Also I like to
stick my head up out of the hatch in the morning to see what is going
on.
Secondary
accommodations, for times when it might be too rough for comfort (the front
of the boat moves the most, in all motion-sensitive conditions) are in the
saloon, what boat people call their family room/dining room/living room, in
a pull-out double (48"x79" and tapering to less at the foot). This is the
best place for sleeping in rough conditions, as it's nearly in the center of
the boat, and has the least motion of any space aboard.

Bob has a lee cloth for the single bunk in the main cabin so he can
sleep there if it is rough and I'm at the helm. I personally lie down
on the floor next to the mast (assuming a keel stepped mast). If it
is just ordinary rolling, and he's at the helm, I just sleep
crossways in the aft cabin.

5: Bathroom and shower space is combined.


We have a separate shower on our boat, but a lot of times we use it
for a closet.

9: Space aboard, while generous for most sailboats, is very much less than
landside living spaces. "Excuse me" because you need to get by someone
while going from "here" to "there" aboard is common. Nevertheless, our home
was designed originally as a charter boat, and in its original
configuration, could manage 11 people for sleeping (5 of those spaces have
been converted to other uses, now) and meals. Still, spaces are sometimes
close for those accustomed to multi-digit feet distances between them and
other objects or people.

Our boat could originally sleep 8 (or really 7.5), and we've taken out
the double in the main cabin and made a single of it, and the single
across from it is so short now that it would only fit a child, so we
are down to 6.25 unless someone sleeps in the cockpit or on deck..

10: Because of #s 1, 4 and 9, not only will it make your life easier, but,
under way, safer, if everything not in active use is stored and secured. If
you trip over it, or, worse, it flies off where ever it was put and hits
you, it's a safety hazard to have stuff lying out in the open. That means
we'll be "neat nazis" about stuff left out when it's not being used.

Absolutely. Someone who has a trawler complained because the boat hit
a wake and the computer fell off the table and I said (without any
compassion), you must not have had it secured. We always secure all
the hatches when underway too.

11: We have neither TV nor broadband internet connectivity aboard, though
we frequently will have an excellent connection to the internet. Therefore,
there's none of the shoreside mind-numbers available.

We do have TV aboard with a follow-me antenna. The good thing about
this is that we didn't have a satellite dish at home, and after we got
it on the boat, Bob decided to install a dish on the house for when we
weren't on the boat. Up to that point, we were just getting our
signal off-air with a big antenna on the roof. This is good because
now that everything has gone digital, we are too far away from the
D.C. TV stations to get a signal. The only way we could get TV at the
house now is either cable or sat dish

So, that's about it for the major differences from shore to our home.

What Might I Not Like About Life Aboard Flying Pig?

1: Everything's more expensive than it is at home.
2: Food, in general:

Not a problem for visitors on our boat. We aren't a charter. They
eat what we give them or get their own.

Soft drinks, OJ, beer and other commercial beverages, when available, are cold,

We don't carry soft drinks or beer or OJ
we drink mostly water or lemonade/Gatorade


We drink water, sunshine tea and cranberry juice. we don't have ice
for drinks.

3: Because fresh water is at such a premium both in amount we can carry,
availability/difficulty of transport and/or cost, we normally bathe in the
sea.


We carry so much water (400 gallons) that with the two of us it is
hard to use enough to keep it fresh, so we don't generally conserve
that much. We CAN, but generally don't.

8: Most of the time, whether you have and bring a cell phone, you'll not be
able to pick up the phone and call someone


I used to be able to use my bag phone all over the Chesapeake. Now
that the phone companies have gone digital, there are large spaces
where I don't get any signal. Progress!!!

9: We have a very small hand washer, capable of several T-shirts, to give
you an idea of size, but, at that, rarely use it due to water storage and
availability considerations.


We just use washers in marinas when required.

10: Related to #9, and just generally, as it's our preference, as we're
predominantly in very warm (not uncomfortably so) climates, we tend to wear
very little clothing,


I was told when we first chartered a boat in the Virgin Islands, that
I should not sit around in a wet bathing suit as I would have skin
problems. I found that is true.

Also since I've had two melanomas and Bob has had one second stage, we
do NOT sit around - even under the bimini - in bathing suits. I wear
long trousers and a shirt with at least some sleeves in the boat, plus
I have automatic darkening glasses. Bob wears sunglasses - he does
wear Bermuda type shorts. We both wear hats when outside and
sunscreen.

Bob insists that we wear shoes at all times when on deck for safety
reasons. Proper shoes really are more non-skid than feet. (I have
tested this myself.) If I didn't know that shoes were more slip
resistant, I wouldn't wear them. Bob does have more tender feet than
I do and he can't stand to walk on the non-skid on the deck, plus he's
broken toes in the past so he wears shoes in places that I go
barefoot, but I do as he wishes in to wearing shoes on deck.

Also we wear SOSpender type life jackets at all times when underway
and insist that all guests do the same.

12: If you're not an active cruiser, marine toilets ("heads") can be both a
mystery and a nuisance. Not only is the seat smaller (altogether round,
too),


We have a larger seat for our head. We also flush with fresh water
using the shower head.

You might also mention that male guests might do better with getting
urine in the toilet if they sit on the toilet seat rather than try to
hold on to keep their balance while trying to aim.

13: Our time ashore is nearly all afoot and looky-loo. That is, we don't
do tours, rent cars, pay for museums, and the like. There's lots to see and
do without cash expenditures, so we don't, in light of our budget. If your
idea of cruising is marinas, tours, maybe hotels, dinners out/pub-bar
entertainment and the like, we're happy to join you as your guests - but
we don't need it.


One of the things you may miss is walking, so time ashore can be used
for hiking and exercise. Or

6: Go rowing, if you like. We have a PortaBote, in addition to our
inflatable, which has dinghy oars as well as actual sculling sweeps (10'
oars I used to use in my rowing shell on Lake Lanier) which go in the
modification I did to that boat.

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4,224 words

but the voice is different in this post. Seems easier to read and less
fussy.

Hey skip who wrot this or did you double up on your maintenence meds


Heh. I wrote it. Not directed at cruisers, not detail oriented, just the
facts, mon. So far the only maintenance meds I have are related to health,
like the simvastatins, aspirin, fish oil, saw palmetto and a multivitamin.
Doubling up on any of those has little effect :{))

Did I miss the part of your 4K+ blabering where you describe the
required SAFETY DRILLS? or DUTY STATIONS of all visitors on board the
Pig??

Pleae tell me you at least have an orientation??????


Yah, we do, as well as a toilet orientation including a flapper valve for
reference. We start in the cockpit for general stuff, including MOB and
fire drill (pointing out and demonstrating the MOB pole/Horseshoe and
cockpit extinguisher [not demonstrated!]), and then move throughout the
boat.

As you've commented upon the uselessness in general of some of your
shipmates, while we invite those aboard to participate in general, and have
general instructions on emergency conditions, someone who's not skilled at
that will get in the way more than help, so we don't expect nor demand
active stuff. One of my sons and his wife are new pilots, and they've
drilled the kids on "sterile cockpit" - meaning that when they're driving or
talking on the radio, or navigating, or, or, their single task is to stay
silent and out of the way. We use that analogy in our briefing.

After all when lydia is drunk and you are incopcitated from that pre
existing medical condition WHO will know how to call for help?


Well, we do show them how to call for help, but, you're right about our
challenges were both of us to be dead (pardon the expression) in the water.
However, nothing stronger than lite beer is aboard any more, and, from all
indications at all medical levels, my PEMC is well under control, so we're
not any different than other solo cruising couples as to emergencies.


Bob

And
Oh ya I forgot....... non of that silly stuff like safety orientations
or basic maritime responsibilities are needed on the PIg since the pig
is a Winabago Class vessel. OH, but I thought SKIP was a USCG Licensed
MASTER. Are you really using the Pig as an IRS Schedule C Sole
Propieter Hobby Loss deduction?? You are really stepin in deep ****
SKip.

Not, nor do I pretend to be, a master, though we did pay for, and get ripped
off on, Master's classes. We're mere OUPVs.

Nor do we operate FP on any commercial basis and, as it's paid for, we don't
even do a home interest deduction. And, as covered above, we do the safety
orientations and other sailing responsibility stuff.

In any event, I agree:


May God bless the ignorant and those who walk on the Pig.
Bob



I think God's blessing is a great thing, no matter your condition or
location :{))

L8R

Skip and Lydia, getting our outboard sorted out, it looks like, without
having to buy a new one...




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Hi, Rosalie, and group,

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"Flying Pig" wrote:

Comments, please...

How is life aboard Flying Pig different from my life ashore?

1: Flying Pig is a boat. Aside from times in the boatyard, where it's up
on stilts on shore, it's in constant motion. This takes some getting used
to, but most accommodate it very well.

If you know you get seasick and have a remedy that works for you, be
sure to bring it. We (that is Bob and I) have ginger aboard which
works for some folks, but I will not supply prescription medication to
guests (or anyone). Bob's preferred remedy is to have the seasick
person take the wheel and to eat saltines. I personally prefer to
have hot tea and sleep through it


I cover seasickness in a different section; we've found Stugeron to be VERY
effective, and non-drowsy/eye impairing. If one of our guests knew in
advance that they were subject to seasickness, likely they'd already have
developed their own coping skills and meds...

4: Accomodations, for a boat, are generous, but very small by home
standards. The best place on the boat for sleeping in "normal" (not rough
seas) weather is in what's called the VEE berth, so called because of its
shape. It's a 7-foot equilateral triangle, and accomodates most "normal"
sized couples handily, though, of necessity, the feet tend to be touching


We always slept the other way - with our heads close together at the
pointy end. Of course that means that the reading light is at our
feet.


Ya, but that's because of your layout. You couldn't effectively sleep the
other way, if I recall your aft cabin setup. In the vee, most would prefer
the biscuit in, or, in any event, if not, their feet would be at the pointy
end. In your boat, you have the advantage of it not coming to a point where
your shoulders are :{))

Bob has a lee cloth for the single bunk in the main cabin so he can
sleep there if it is rough and I'm at the helm. I personally lie down
on the floor next to the mast (assuming a keel stepped mast). If it
is just ordinary rolling, and he's at the helm, I just sleep
crossways in the aft cabin.


Our pull-out is our lee-cloth place, too, though not in its extended
position. In our roughest times we've never felt the need to use it. We do
have a KS mast, and the sole is a possibility, too.

3: Because fresh water is at such a premium both in amount we can carry,
availability/difficulty of transport and/or cost, we normally bathe in the
sea.


We carry so much water (400 gallons) that with the two of us it is
hard to use enough to keep it fresh, so we don't generally conserve
that much. We CAN, but generally don't.


We've never had a freshness issue, even when it's been RO water (most of the
time it arrives chlorinated if we're refilling at a fuel dock, but in the
Bahamas, that's rare, even if we've not had to jug it), for which we're very
thankful. Our full-up condition is about 325G, and we're into the forward
tank, now, which has been there for over 2 months; still fresh.

We just use washers in marinas when required.


We never see marinas :{)) other than for fuel...


10: Related to #9, and just generally, as it's our preference, as we're
predominantly in very warm (not uncomfortably so) climates, we tend to
wear
very little clothing,


I was told when we first chartered a boat in the Virgin Islands, that
I should not sit around in a wet bathing suit as I would have skin
problems. I found that is true.


Thus the admonition to have at least two, one for the line and the one
you're sitting around in fresh.

Bob insists that we wear shoes at all times when on deck for safety
reasons. Proper shoes really are more non-skid than feet. (I have
tested this myself.) If I didn't know that shoes were more slip
resistant, I wouldn't wear them. Bob does have more tender feet than
I do and he can't stand to walk on the non-skid on the deck, plus he's
broken toes in the past so he wears shoes in places that I go
barefoot, but I do as he wishes in to wearing shoes on deck.

Also we wear SOSpender type life jackets at all times when underway
and insist that all guests do the same.


Excellent additons, though we'd cover that in our briefing sessions when
they arrive. We discuss "boat bites" of which the majority for most
visitors will be toes (not too many hit their heads like I do,
predominantly, these days, as I've managed to habitually miss the others
which used to get me, door frames if I happen to be standing right next to
one before I set off somewhere else. In motion [getting up a head of steam
before the door] I never get them any more). We do harnesses unless we know
we're going to have to be on deck, and have 5 SOSpenders with integrated
harnesses aboard for such situations.

You might also mention that male guests might do better with getting
urine in the toilet if they sit on the toilet seat rather than try to
hold on to keep their balance while trying to aim.


We do demand that all guests sit, for safety reasons as well as sanitation,
in our orientation on marine toilets. However, I'll add that to the toilet
discussion in the FAQ so it's not a surprise.

Thanks for the reminders.

L8R

Skip


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