On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

On Feb 25, 1:01*pm, Two meter troll wrote:
On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?
Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.
I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

If you build, will it be steel?
Do you have a boat now?

I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

Joe

On Feb 25, 1:38*pm, Joe wrote:
On Feb 25, 1:01*pm, Two meter troll wrote:





On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

*Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?
Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

*Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.
I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

If you build, will it be steel?
Do you have a boat now?

*I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

Joe- Hide quoted text -

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Forgot to mention, Junks are slow, not that slow is bad all the time,
just fast is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2AG...e=channel_page

Joe

On Feb 25, 1:58*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:55:10 -0800 (PST), Joe





wrote:
On Feb 25, 1:38*pm, Joe wrote:
On Feb 25, 1:01*pm, Two meter troll wrote:

On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

*Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?
Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

*Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.
I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

If you build, will it be steel?
Do you have a boat now?

*I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

Joe- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Forgot to mention, Junks are slow, not that slow is bad all the time,
just fast is better.

Junks are known for their seaworthiness. They tend to reach their
destinations, regardless of what they encounter on the way.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hi Mike,

Yes they are, I checked out many in Hong Kong back in the 80's. Most
were over a hundred years old.
Very sturdy, first ever to incorporate water tight compartments.

Have you heard of Khan's lost fleet?

Joe

On Feb 25, 11:38 am, Joe wrote:
On Feb 25, 1:01 pm, Two meter troll wrote:



On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?

probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to
remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry
bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years.

Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the
little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector
expects a bit of ba-keesh.

Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo. i would rather not have
my cargo ripped apart at every stop. and i don't want a whole passel
of mutts on my boat.

Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.

I like building boats this one will be number 7 and the third of over
30 feet.

I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

http://www.chrisdixonstudios.com/hcs...reenwidth=1024

If you build, will it be steel?

not if i am sane.
wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically

Do you have a boat now?
yep 3 and more i can lay my hands to. two of those are 28 and 30 foot
skin on frame student boats.

I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration
OBC and streamer.


Joe

On Feb 25, 2:49*pm, Two meter troll wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:38 am, Joe wrote:





On Feb 25, 1:01 pm, Two meter troll wrote:

On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

*Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?

probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to
remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry
bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years.

Thats perfectly legal. Alaska is America. Good plan

Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the
little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector
expects a bit of ba-keesh.

Indeed, stopping anywhere you can expect to toss some lan-yap


Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo.

I have not heard that. Can you poimt to an example of that? True C.A.
is full of drug dealers, and thats the closest source of beans, but
ive never heard of that. Someone trying to smuggle an ounce on the
boat in a coffee can maybe

i would rather not have
my cargo ripped apart at every stop. and i don't want a whole passel
of mutts on my boat.

Well if you stay in the US and haul for friends you should not have
any problems what so ever.



*Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.

I like building boats this one will be number 7 and the third of over
30 feet.

I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

http://www.chrisdixonstudios.com/hcs...s/gallery.php?...

If you build, will it be steel?

not if i am sane.
*wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically

Ok traditional junk-50 ft= 25 acres of lumber..But the value of the
junks in china is the old growth mahogany and teak.

Do you have a boat now?

yep 3 and more i can lay my hands to. two of those are 28 and 30 foot
skin on frame student boats.



*I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration
OBC and streamer.

buuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Joe




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Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?

probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to
remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry
bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years.

Thats perfectly legal. Alaska is America. Good plan

Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the
little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector
expects a bit of ba-keesh.

Indeed, stopping anywhere you can expect to toss some lan-yap





however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo.

I have not heard that. Can you poimt to an example of that? True C.A.
is full of drug dealers, and thats the closest source of beans, but
ive never heard of that. Someone trying to smuggle an ounce on the
boat in a coffee can maybe

Maybe but if i know it as a rumor im pretty sure the CG and other
inspectors will also. IMO the prevention of suspicion is better than
the attention of suspicion.
i will be getting the eye at any rate; from the various Homeland
security folks in the US better to be as safe as i can.

Well if you stay in the US and haul for friends you should not have
any problems what so ever.

oh i plan on getting around a bit more than that. however running
cargo out side the US has its attendant difficulties and i will
evaluate those as needed. the various bonding is an issue that is easy
for a big company and not so for a small guy.


wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically

Ok traditional junk-50 ft= 25 acres of lumber..But the value of the
junks in china is the old growth mahogany and teak.

very true. however i have the wood here and the milling operations. if
i was to get a boat built in china the only way to pay for the whole
bang would be to fill the hull with those exotic woods and sail her
home then finish the accommodation's.
an aside is that i like myrtlewood fir and port orford cedar. its
here its handy and its cheap. well, within reason.


King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration
OBC and streamer.

buuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

its not to bad, winter can get a little bleak (I wintered over a
couple of times in the high arctic), summer on the other hand is
marvelous. i miss the tundra flowering in spring. get this boat done
and we can skip the seasons we don't want to deal with

On Feb 25, 3:46*pm, Two meter troll wrote:
*Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?

probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to
remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry
bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years.

*Thats perfectly legal. Alaska is America. Good plan

Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the
little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector
expects a bit of ba-keesh.

Indeed, stopping anywhere you can expect to toss some lan-yap

however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo.

I have not heard that. Can you poimt to an example of that? True C.A.
is full of drug dealers, and thats the closest source of beans, but
ive never heard of that. Someone trying to smuggle an ounce on the
boat in a coffee can maybe

Maybe but if i know it as a rumor im pretty sure the CG and other
inspectors will also. IMO the prevention of suspicion is better than
the attention of suspicion.
i will be getting the eye at any rate; from the various Homeland
security folks in the US better to be as safe as i can.


Geeee the USCG guys I know look for junks coming back from backwoods
Alaska loaded down with pot, it's worth more than any boat load of
crab. And IIRC one of the biggest pot ports is in Canada on that side
just north or the border.

But if you are not doing anything illegal then its not going to be a
problem.

Well if you stay in the US and haul for friends you should not have
any problems what so ever.

oh i plan on getting around a bit more than that. however running
cargo out side the US has its attendant difficulties and i will
evaluate those as needed. the various bonding is an issue that is easy
for a big company and not so for a small guy.



*wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically

Ok traditional junk-50 ft= 25 acres of lumber..But the value of the
junks in china is the old growth mahogany and teak.

very true. however i have the wood here and the milling operations. if
i was to get a boat built in china the only way to pay for the whole
bang would be to fill the hull with those exotic woods and sail her
home then finish the accommodation's.

All the old growth wood is long gone, Im talking 24" X 42" solid
mahogany keels.
Beware of importing "exotic woods" very tricky and you can loose your
cargo real easy to restrictions and bans.

an aside is that i like myrtlewood *fir and port orford cedar. its
here its handy and its cheap. *well, within reason.

Hey as long as it dont rot and holds up well in sal****er it should
work.


King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration
OBC and streamer.

buuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

its not to bad, winter can get a little bleak (I wintered over a
couple of times in the high arctic), summer on the other hand is
marvelous. *i miss the tundra flowering in spring. get this boat done
and we can skip the seasons we don't want to deal with- Hide quoted text -

Yeah that tundra in spring sounds nice, it's just that other 90% of
the year thats the problem.

Joe

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Geeee the USCG guys I know look for junks coming back from backwoods
Alaska loaded down with pot, it's worth more than any boat load of
crab. And IIRC one of the biggest pot ports is in Canada on that side
just north or the border.

But if you are not doing anything illegal then its not going to be a
problem.

Heh like a person would use a big boat to move pot across that border.
its a short Zode ride across the sound.
best done at night several boats with no moon and a good muffler.
sides i live in oregon why the heck would i import pot?


very true. however i have the wood here and the milling operations. if
i was to get a boat built in china the only way to pay for the whole
bang would be to fill the hull with those exotic woods and sail her
home then finish the accommodation's.

All the old growth wood is long gone, Im talking 24" X 42" solid
mahogany keels.
Beware of importing "exotic woods" very tricky and you can loose your
cargo real easy to restrictions and bans.

thats pretty much the size of it.

an aside is that i like myrtlewood fir and port orford cedar. its
here its handy and its cheap. well, within reason.

Hey as long as it dont rot and holds up well in sal****er it should
work.

just cause its not used in the east to build boats dont mean it aint
good. folks built ships out of myrtle wood Doug fir is a moderate rot
resistance and PO cedar will last practically forever. it would scale
at mahogany, white oak and well PO cedar. like i said i have the
access to the materials right here and can get custom cut OG if i want
a solid keel 50 feet long i can get one. but frankly why? i am not so
much of a traditionalist as to eschew the use of epoxy and a laminated
keel is far better than a solid chunk of wood, i can build it to have
all the curve and counter stress i need with out having to deal with
grain runout, checking, rot pockets, termites, etc. and if i wish i
can bury a few hundred pounds of lead in it.

I might build traditional but i also realize that there are places
where the tradition is to use the best passable solution.
like covering the hull in epoxy and cloth. if i have a choice of
protecting the materials the hull is composed of then i will do that.
small price to pay for the lifetime of a boat.


its not to bad, winter can get a little bleak (I wintered over a
couple of times in the high arctic), summer on the other hand is
marvelous. i miss the tundra flowering in spring. get this boat done
and we can skip the seasons we don't want to deal with

Yeah that tundra in spring sounds nice, it's just that other 90% of
the year thats the problem.


I like the summer as long as i am at sea during it. the folks on land
have the problems with bugs. and southeast in winter
is very much like oregon with a touch more snow. so i would say about
half the year is not good.

"Joe" wrote in message
...

Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.
I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

If you build, will it be steel?
Do you have a boat now?

I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?


You could have used some luck, yourself, with your junk (Red Cloud).

Wilbur Hubbard