... A broach on a windy day.

As apposed to a broach on a calm day

Doug
s/v Callista

FYI PSS no longer sells a low speed version. They only sell the water
injected "High Speed". If your application originally qualified for
the "low speed" version, you can safely use the water injected unit
without hooking it up to the cooling system. Just attach a 3/8" hose
and bring it high up on the centerline as a vent. No burping and no
compromise of your cooling system.




Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:47:16 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:38:46 -0000, Larry W4CSC wrote:

I solved the problem and kept the injection. It simply has an inline water
valve to open when she comes out of yard on her sea trial, which can be
shut off and forgotten like the tubeless one after that.

Larry

Larry, are you going to write to PSS about this whole thing and ask
their opinion?

I would have thought that would have been one of the initial steps
towards a solution.

One disadvantage to the tubeless one is that you
need to burp the seal to get the air out.

I thought this burping was only after the initial installation. Surely you
are not expected to burp the seal before every use of the motor? Someone
being extra cautious here?


"Marc" wrote in message
...
FYI PSS no longer sells a low speed version. They only sell the water
injected "High Speed". If your application originally qualified for
the "low speed" version, you can safely use the water injected unit
without hooking it up to the cooling system. Just attach a 3/8" hose
and bring it high up on the centerline as a vent. No burping and no
compromise of your cooling system.




Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:47:16 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:38:46 -0000, Larry W4CSC wrote:

I solved the problem and kept the injection. It simply has an inline
water
valve to open when she comes out of yard on her sea trial, which can be
shut off and forgotten like the tubeless one after that.

Larry

Larry, are you going to write to PSS about this whole thing and ask
their opinion?

I would have thought that would have been one of the initial steps
towards a solution.

One problem with the original "low speed " version was that not only
did you have to burp it after a haul out, but if you were rolled by a
severe wake or unusually choppy seas, it was possible to uncover and
drain the shaft log. If you were unaware of the situation, your seal
would begin to run dry and hot. That is why PSS discontinued the "Low
speed". They even kicked in 1/2 the price of the new seal when I
complained.



On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:44:57 GMT, "Gordon Wedman"
wrote:

One disadvantage to the tubeless one is that you
need to burp the seal to get the air out.

I thought this burping was only after the initial installation. Surely you
are not expected to burp the seal before every use of the motor? Someone
being extra cautious here?


"Marc" wrote in message
.. .
FYI PSS no longer sells a low speed version. They only sell the water
injected "High Speed". If your application originally qualified for
the "low speed" version, you can safely use the water injected unit
without hooking it up to the cooling system. Just attach a 3/8" hose
and bring it high up on the centerline as a vent. No burping and no
compromise of your cooling system.




Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:47:16 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:38:46 -0000, Larry W4CSC wrote:

I solved the problem and kept the injection. It simply has an inline
water
valve to open when she comes out of yard on her sea trial, which can be
shut off and forgotten like the tubeless one after that.

Larry

Larry, are you going to write to PSS about this whole thing and ask
their opinion?

I would have thought that would have been one of the initial steps
towards a solution.

Must be a very recent thing. I just bought a low speed one
from them less than a month ago. I actually bought it through
Port Supply but it was drop shipped directly from PYI.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Marc" wrote in message
...
FYI PSS no longer sells a low speed version. They only sell the water
injected "High Speed". If your application originally qualified for
the "low speed" version, you can safely use the water injected unit
without hooking it up to the cooling system. Just attach a 3/8" hose
and bring it high up on the centerline as a vent. No burping and no
compromise of your cooling system.




Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:47:16 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:38:46 -0000, Larry W4CSC wrote:

I solved the problem and kept the injection. It simply has an inline
water
valve to open when she comes out of yard on her sea trial, which can be
shut off and forgotten like the tubeless one after that.

Larry

Larry, are you going to write to PSS about this whole thing and ask
their opinion?

I would have thought that would have been one of the initial steps
towards a solution.

I guess that would depend upon the configuration of the stern tube.
I had one on my old C&C 36 and never had any trouble. Just
installed one on my PO so the jury is out on that. The moral is
to burp it after any prolonged rough sailing. I would have preferred
the one with the injection feature, but it wasn;t available in my
size.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Marc" wrote in message
...
One problem with the original "low speed " version was that not only
did you have to burp it after a haul out, but if you were rolled by a
severe wake or unusually choppy seas, it was possible to uncover and
drain the shaft log. If you were unaware of the situation, your seal
would begin to run dry and hot. That is why PSS discontinued the "Low
speed". They even kicked in 1/2 the price of the new seal when I
complained.



On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:44:57 GMT, "Gordon Wedman"
wrote:

One disadvantage to the tubeless one is that you
need to burp the seal to get the air out.

I thought this burping was only after the initial installation. Surely
you
are not expected to burp the seal before every use of the motor? Someone
being extra cautious here?


"Marc" wrote in message
.. .
FYI PSS no longer sells a low speed version. They only sell the water
injected "High Speed". If your application originally qualified for
the "low speed" version, you can safely use the water injected unit
without hooking it up to the cooling system. Just attach a 3/8" hose
and bring it high up on the centerline as a vent. No burping and no
compromise of your cooling system.




Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:47:16 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:38:46 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

I solved the problem and kept the injection. It simply has an inline
water
valve to open when she comes out of yard on her sea trial, which can
be
shut off and forgotten like the tubeless one after that.

Larry

Larry, are you going to write to PSS about this whole thing and ask
their opinion?

I would have thought that would have been one of the initial steps
towards a solution.

No. You need to burp it any time that an air bubble occures. A diver
cleaning the prop etc can cause the problem. I would up over burping mine
for fear of having a leaking seal due to overheating with the air bubble.
With packing you can add another ring but with PSS you need to haul out.

I have since found out from some one on this group that an air bubble will
cause a racket (noise) from the seal. Burping after this fixed the noise
and the seal did not leak. I guess my worries were for not.


"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
news:ty2wc.14504$jl6.4491@edtnps89...
One disadvantage to the tubeless one is that you
need to burp the seal to get the air out.

I thought this burping was only after the initial installation. Surely
you
are not expected to burp the seal before every use of the motor? Someone
being extra cautious here?


"Marc" wrote in message
...
FYI PSS no longer sells a low speed version. They only sell the water
injected "High Speed". If your application originally qualified for
the "low speed" version, you can safely use the water injected unit
without hooking it up to the cooling system. Just attach a 3/8" hose
and bring it high up on the centerline as a vent. No burping and no
compromise of your cooling system.




Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:47:16 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:38:46 -0000, Larry W4CSC wrote:

I solved the problem and kept the injection. It simply has an inline
water
valve to open when she comes out of yard on her sea trial, which can
be
shut off and forgotten like the tubeless one after that.

Larry

Larry, are you going to write to PSS about this whole thing and ask
their opinion?

I would have thought that would have been one of the initial steps
towards a solution.

"Doug Dotson" wrote in
:

... A broach on a windy day.

As apposed to a broach on a calm day

Doug
s/v Callista

Broaching on a calm day takes a highly skilled captain.....(c;

WaIIy wrote in
:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:38:46 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

I solved the problem and kept the injection. It simply has an inline
water valve to open when she comes out of yard on her sea trial, which
can be shut off and forgotten like the tubeless one after that.

Larry

Larry, are you going to write to PSS about this whole thing and ask
their opinion?

No, I solved the problem. Case ended.


I would have thought that would have been one of the initial steps
towards a solution.

It might have been but I'm stranded, alone in Daytona Beach (Poor Larry!)
Cap'n Geoffrey went back to Atlanta to make more money for me to
spend...(c; I forgave him.

The Gulfstreamer Race was the goal. No time for emails and waiting, even
if I could have gotten them. Crew arrived a day after the valve was
installed and tested. Everyone was happy....albeit a little skinned up
from falling onto the concrete drunk from the bars they cruised AFTER
leaving Halifax River Yacht Club's pre-race festivities....Just follow the
blood trail from Beach Street and you'd have been at Lionheart... Glad I
stayed aboard and worked Moscow, Belarus, UAE in a heavy pileup on ham
radio. They wouldn't let me ring the hours on the ship's bell the next few
days...(c;

Larry

"Rick & Linda Bernard" wrote in
:

No. You need to burp it any time that an air bubble occures. A diver
cleaning the prop etc can cause the problem. I would up over burping
mine for fear of having a leaking seal due to overheating with the air
bubble. With packing you can add another ring but with PSS you need to
haul out.

I have since found out from some one on this group that an air bubble
will cause a racket (noise) from the seal. Burping after this fixed
the noise and the seal did not leak. I guess my worries were for not.


God, and to think he replaced a perfectly great-working GREASED seal so
easy to grease with this "thing" with the bubblosity problem.