"rhys" wrote in message
...

I try not to sneer at trimarans and cats, either, because they provide
a *different*, but equally valid and perfectly enjoyable alternative
to my preferred monohull. Where I tend to get snotty is on the issue
of seaworthiness: if you accept that a cat with a big flat sliding
glass door on its bridge is going to have issues in a following sea,
then you understand my objections are not to catamarans, but to
catamarans that want to be patio sunrooms.

I'm not sure why you have a problem with "flat sliding doors" since I've never
heard of a failure of one. Or are you defining "seaworthiness" as something
that "looks proper" as opposed to something that has been proven safe with a
perfect safety record?

Actually, I consider the door to be a major safety feature since you don't have
to climb down a ladder to "go below." Modern cruising cats don't have a problem
with seas breaking in the cockpit because the sterns are quite bouyant and lift
easily. In many cats the door is almost amidships, so its rather unlikely to be
tested even in the worst conditions. And the cockpit drains are usually 3 inch
scuppers that drain directly below.

I know that traditionally, large comfortable cockpits are not considered the
safest for long passages, but they really aren't that bad on a cat.


South Africa builds some
apparently incredibly tough blue-water cats (they'd have to, given the
conditions there), and while I'd personally have to learn to sail 'em,
I'd let the brother buy one.


You'd figure it out real quick.

Or are you defining "seaworthiness" as something
that "looks proper" as opposed to something that has been proven safe with a
perfect safety record?

jeff, catamarans do not hardly have "a perfect safety record". They in fact
sink all over the place. *some* catamarans do not sink, but most certainly
catamarans sink at a much higher rate than mono's.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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Or are you defining "seaworthiness" as something
that "looks proper" as opposed to something that has been proven safe with a
perfect safety record?

jeff, catamarans do not hardly have "a perfect safety record". They in fact
sink all over the place. *some* catamarans do not sink, but most certainly
catamarans sink at a much higher rate than mono's.

Modern cruising catamarans, over 35 feet and used for cruising, have a near
perfect safety record, especially with regard to sinking. You'd be hard pressed
to find more than a handful of incidents in the last 10 years. To compare their
record to monohulls is laughable. Get real, jaxie, this is just another one of
you blatant lies! Why don't you show us a statistic, or are you going to spin
some yarn about how an "expert" told you so in a bar?

Modern cruising catamarans, over 35 feet and used for cruising, have a near
perfect safety record, especially with regard to sinking. You'd be hard
pressed
to find more than a handful of incidents in the last 10 years. To compare
their
record to monohulls is laughable.

compare the Iroquois owner's list to see just how many Iroquiois catamarans
sank of the total number made. The % is not unusual in the context of
catamarans taken "out there".

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Modern cruising catamarans, over 35 feet and used for cruising, have a near
perfect safety record, especially with regard to sinking. You'd be hard
pressed
to find more than a handful of incidents in the last 10 years. To compare
their
record to monohulls is laughable.

compare the Iroquois owner's list to see just how many Iroquiois catamarans
sank of the total number made. The % is not unusual in the context of
catamarans taken "out there".

Iroquois are not "modern cruising cats over 35 feet." The were designed in the
early 1960's and are only 30 feet long, with a 13 foot beam. Many of the early
boats were finished from bare hull by amateurs. While it was a "breakthrough"
boat in its day, they serve now as the example of how not to build a catamaran.
Try again, jaxie.

jeffies, owning a catamaran is a leap in religious faith, and like most
religious bigots, catamaran bigots have the mental capacity of a seven year old
kid. catamarans present huge, and unstable, wind surfaces, have large,
marginally structural surface unable to stand tons of water slamming against
it, unable to sail up wind, enormous engineering problems in trying to keep the
two hulls from twisting the interconnecting structure to broken pencils and are
rather misserably slow when weighted down by cruising necessities.

As a % of boats "out there", catamarans sink at a much higher rate than mono's.
That is why so few catamarans -- as a % of total catamarans -- "go out there".

Catamarans are training wheels, bought by people who feel the need for training
wheels and both the boats and the people who buy them are best off staying
close to shore and anchoring every nite in a well protected anchorage.

now, jeffies, go pray in your Church of Eternal Life/Two Hulls that the God of
Two Hulls might smite the Half-Boat Heathens who might dare to set sail in
winds above 15 knots and waves above 4 feet.

Modern cruising catamarans, over 35 feet and used for cruising, have a
near
perfect safety record, especially with regard to sinking. You'd be hard
pressed
to find more than a handful of incidents in the last 10 years. To compare
their
record to monohulls is laughable.

compare the Iroquois owner's list to see just how many Iroquiois catamarans
sank of the total number made. The % is not unusual in the context of
catamarans taken "out there".

Iroquois are not "modern cruising cats over 35 feet." The were designed in
the
early 1960's and are only 30 feet long, with a 13 foot beam. Many of the
early
boats were finished from bare hull by amateurs. While it was a
"breakthrough"
boat in its day, they serve now as the example of how not to build a
catamaran.
Try again, jaxie.

Poor, poor jaxie. Your post reeks of jealousy.

You still haven't given even a single example of a cruising cat problem.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, owning a catamaran is a leap in religious faith, and like most
religious bigots, catamaran bigots have the mental capacity of a seven year
old
kid. catamarans present huge, and unstable, wind surfaces, have large,
marginally structural surface unable to stand tons of water slamming against
it, unable to sail up wind, enormous engineering problems in trying to keep
the
two hulls from twisting the interconnecting structure to broken pencils and
are
rather misserably slow when weighted down by cruising necessities.

As a % of boats "out there", catamarans sink at a much higher rate than
mono's.
That is why so few catamarans -- as a % of total catamarans -- "go out
there".

Catamarans are training wheels, bought by people who feel the need for
training
wheels and both the boats and the people who buy them are best off staying
close to shore and anchoring every nite in a well protected anchorage.

now, jeffies, go pray in your Church of Eternal Life/Two Hulls that the God of
Two Hulls might smite the Half-Boat Heathens who might dare to set sail in
winds above 15 knots and waves above 4 feet.




Modern cruising catamarans, over 35 feet and used for cruising, have a
near
perfect safety record, especially with regard to sinking. You'd be hard
pressed
to find more than a handful of incidents in the last 10 years. To compare
their
record to monohulls is laughable.

compare the Iroquois owner's list to see just how many Iroquiois catamarans
sank of the total number made. The % is not unusual in the context of
catamarans taken "out there".

Iroquois are not "modern cruising cats over 35 feet." The were designed in
the
early 1960's and are only 30 feet long, with a 13 foot beam. Many of the
early
boats were finished from bare hull by amateurs. While it was a
"breakthrough"
boat in its day, they serve now as the example of how not to build a
catamaran.
Try again, jaxie.

On Thursday 20 May 2004 1:05 am in rec.boats.cruising JAXAshby wrote:

Or are you defining "seaworthiness" as something
that "looks proper" as opposed to something that has been proven safe with
a perfect safety record?

jeff, catamarans do not hardly have "a perfect safety record". They in
fact
sink all over the place. *some* catamarans do not sink, but most
certainly catamarans sink at a much higher rate than mono's.

BULL****.
Yet another idiot claim from our resident clown.

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BULL****.
Yet another idiot claim from our resident clown.

check it out, yo-yo. catamarans "out there" sink at an unethical rate as
compared to mono's.

sorry, but you training wheels guys are putting your families in danger. go in
a corner and pray for forgiveness.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
BULL****.
Yet another idiot claim from our resident clown.

check it out, yo-yo. catamarans "out there" sink at an unethical rate as
compared to mono's.

Check what out? Show us a site that proves that cruising cats aren't safer
than monohulls. Another worthless claim from the jaxhole.