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There is no oil drilling in the Chesapeake bay and it has plenty of oil pollution, largely from the same source. People flushing used oil down the toilet is another problem. People flush used oil down the toilet? That must make an awful mess of the toilet, I've never heard of such a thing. Around here any autoparts store will take used oil for free. I just collect it in a 5 gallon jug and when it starts to get full I drop it by and pour it in the collection tank. Some people have waste oil heaters to heat their shops or homes, if I had more used oil I'd look into something like that. |
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James Sweet wrote in news:YHIah.8454$gJ1.207
@trndny09: Some people have waste oil heaters to heat their shops or homes, if I had more used oil I'd look into something like that. Some people dump it into their diesel fuel tanks, a couple of quarts to each fillup, reducing our dependency on foreign oil. Notice it says DIESEL. Of course, some people are running their cars on Vegetable Oil for free, too!...(c; Larry -- If we eliminate religion, will they stop murdering each other? |
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Exactly. You can't force technology faster just to meet an arbitrary goal
dreamed up by a beaurocrat. And the sick thing about it is that whoever dreamed up those regs goes to bed thinking "I saved the world again today". "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... This has been my problem with the "evironmental movement" since they forced cars to get much reduced fuel economy in favor of maginally reduced tailpipe emissions. Remember the early cat cars of the mid seventies? Matt |
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Garland Gray II wrote:
Exactly. You can't force technology faster just to meet an arbitrary goal dreamed up by a beaurocrat. And the sick thing about it is that whoever dreamed up those regs goes to bed thinking "I saved the world again today". Well regardless, the technology caught up and cars get roughly double the fuel economy as they got in the 70s, have much cleaner emissions, and many are far more powerful too. |
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:24:08 +0000, James Sweet wrote:
There is no oil drilling in the Chesapeake bay and it has plenty of oil pollution, largely from the same source. People flushing used oil down the toilet is another problem. People flush used oil down the toilet? That must make an awful mess of the toilet, I've never heard of such a thing. Toilet, sink, it's all the same sewer. Plenty more washes in from streets, etc., and groundwater from people pouring it into their yards or wherever. But oil from 2-stroke outboards, especially older ones, is still a major source of pollution. Believe it or not, there's serious science behind this. Armies of PhD's labor for years to identify the most significant sources of pollution, and then to find the most cost-effective ways of addressing the problems. The trouble is, too many people still don't want to hear the answers. Matt O. |
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Matt:
I'm too young to remember the seventies. Can you point me towards a link that explains what you're talking about, with regards to reduced fuel efficiency in cars for marginally better results at the tailpipe? Sounds interesting. Thanks -Maxime Camirand Matt Colie wrote: KLC, I don't like the thought of spills either, but three Canadian companies have a total of 450+ wells for both oil and natural gas in Lake Erie alone. They seem to manage just fine (with gear and technology from American suppliers). Recently, I was told by someone that has studied these problems for many years that most of the oil on Lake Erie comes from untrapped storm drains. The last big one was the Rouge River about three years ago. We have the opportunity to correct a lot of problems if we pick the real ones instead of the "politically correct" ones. This has been my problem with the "evironmental movement" since they forced cars to get much reduced fuel economy in favor of maginally reduced tailpipe emissions. Remember the early cat cars of the mid seventies? Matt KLC Lewis wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Why do they make noise about dependence on foreign oil and not let anybody go get what we have. (Canada has wells in most of the great lakes - we aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese investment to drill under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.) Matt Colie - environmentally conscious but educated and realistic I'm all for energy-independence, but I cannot believe that oil wells on our Great Lakes would be a good idea. Oil spills from rigs on the oceans are bad enough -- but similar spills on the Lakes would be disasterous. |
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max camirand wrote:
Matt: I'm too young to remember the seventies. Can you point me towards a link that explains what you're talking about, with regards to reduced fuel efficiency in cars for marginally better results at the tailpipe? Sounds interesting. Thanks -Maxime Camirand Remember the seventies?? With tacky polyester clothing, platform shoes, God awful big hunk of s*it cars and disco.... who'd want to remember. Now the 60's...that was a time to remember! |
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On 28 Nov 2006 13:08:05 -0800, in message
om "max camirand" wrote: Matt: I'm too young to remember the seventies. Can you point me towards a link that explains what you're talking about, with regards to reduced fuel efficiency in cars for marginally better results at the tailpipe? Sounds interesting. In the sixties cars ran at fairly high compression ratios thanks to high octane gasoline spiked with tetra ethyl lead. Lead poisoning was an issue and the higher temperatures produced at high compression ratios lead to more oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust, a major contributor to the photo-chemical smog that plagued Los Angeles and other places. High compression engines are inherently more efficient due to the thermodynamics involved. Besides being dangerous, lead poisons the catalyst in catalytic converters, so there was a triple whammy when it was removed, lower octane because other additives had not been fully developed, thus lower compression, lower compression still to cut NOx, and inefficiently designed catalytic converter systems. Then came the oil embargo that drove the price of gas up high enough that North Americans had to care. The results were much better for smog in Los Angeles, but there was strong sentiment that everybody was paying a price that didn't make much difference in most locations. Given time, automotive engineers and fuel specialists have advanced the state of the art and current vehicles are both more efficient and much cleaner than those of the 60s, but it took time to figure it out, and not much attention was given to the problem until government regulations required it. The result was a few years of absolutely dismal fuel economy in the seventies. Ryk |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:24:02 +0000, Don White wrote:
Remember the seventies?? evilunclean disco.... /evil/unclean shudder.... |
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Matt O'Toole wrote in
news Armies of PhD's labor for years to identify the most significant sources of pollution, and then to find the most cost-effective ways of addressing the problems. Wanna bet "armies of PhD's" driving their Escalades to the university and the armies of bureaucrats administering the programs the PhD's are milking for tax dollars causes FAR more pollution than all the 2-stroke engines that have been dipped in a lake since 1900?..... We just can't help ourselves.....It is inevitable. Larry -- If we eliminate religion, will they stop murdering each other? |
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