Hi

I am a member of a Scuba diving club and we are investigating replacing
our outboard engines.

We currently have two Zodiac 5m inflatable boats (not RIBs) with 40HP 2
stroke Mariner outboards. These are reaching the end of their lives and
we are looking at replacing them.

With the new legislation coming in we are looking at 2 stroke vs 4
stroke. I am aware that few people use 4 strokes on inflatables and
fewer would manhandle them down beaches removing and replacing them
daily as we do.

Does anyone have any experience of using 4 strokes on inflatable boats
in this way? Are there any implcations to the angle you can carry/store
them?

Thanks in advance for your advice

Anthony Whittaker

"ajw" wrote in
ups.com:

Are there any implcations to the angle you can carry/store
them?


Yes. In any engine with loose lube oil inside it, you can only tilt,
carry and store it in certain locations. If, for instance, you were to
store it so the oil ran up against the bottom of the pistons, oil would
get past the rings into the top of the cylinders, after a time as they
are not hermetically sealed. It could become hydrolocked with lube oil,
which would bend the rods trying to get it past TDC on the compression
stroke with the valves closed. If the oil in the crankcase ran out the
crankcase vents in another position, what a mess. Cranking that would be
running the engine way low on lube oil, the oil that ran out now missing
from where it is needed.

The permissible carrying and storage positions designed into the portable
4-stroke outboards is defined in the owner's manual. Check that before
buying them. They are also much more complex and heavy than the
simplistic 2-strokers with no valve trains, camshafts, etc. a 4-stroker
must have. How far down the beach did you say you had to carry these
beasts? It's also an issue.

I tried to quote from Mercury or Evinrude from a downloaded owner's
manual, but both websites tried to force me to install Flash players so
they could run code on my computer to spy on me, which I will not permit,
and, once that was bypassed, informed me I had to already be an owner to
download an Evinrude owner's manual, making me question, "What are they
hiding?", as it costs them nothing to let me have a look, being a
potential customer.



Larry
--
Turkeys will be cheaper, Friday morning...(sigh)

"Larry" wrote in message
...
I tried to quote from Mercury or Evinrude from a downloaded owner's
manual, but both websites tried to force me to install Flash players so
they could run code on my computer to spy on me, which I will not permit,
and, once that was bypassed, informed me I had to already be an owner to
download an Evinrude owner's manual, making me question, "What are they
hiding?", as it costs them nothing to let me have a look, being a
potential customer.



Larry
--
Turkeys will be cheaper, Friday morning...(sigh)


Perhaps I'm naive, but since when is Flash spyware?

Perhaps I'm naive, but since when is Flash spyware?





It isn't, however it is used for quite a few annoying ads.

Firefox to the rescue, the flashblock extension makes every flash object
just a button you can push if you want it to load. Adblock lets you
block ads, I really can't see how anyone can stand to use the internet
any other way these days.

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:rqL8h.3525$_x3.2976@trndny02...

Perhaps I'm naive, but since when is Flash spyware?

It isn't, however it is used for quite a few annoying ads.

Firefox to the rescue, the flashblock extension makes every flash object
just a button you can push if you want it to load. Adblock lets you block
ads, I really can't see how anyone can stand to use the internet any other
way these days.

Yeah, I switched to Firefox about a year ago after finding out how much
spyware IE was encouraging on my system, and I regret the switch not even a
little.

I love my 4 stroke yamaha for it's clean burning and fuel economy but
it weighs a lot more than my old mercury 2 stroke. I sure wouldn't
want to carry it down a beach. Don't some of the new 2 strokes use
direct injection for lower emissions?

Hi

I am a member of a Scuba diving club and we are investigating replacing
our outboard engines.

We currently have two Zodiac 5m inflatable boats (not RIBs) with 40HP 2
stroke Mariner outboards. These are reaching the end of their lives and
we are looking at replacing them.

With the new legislation coming in we are looking at 2 stroke vs 4
stroke. I am aware that few people use 4 strokes on inflatables and
fewer would manhandle them down beaches removing and replacing them
daily as we do.

Does anyone have any experience of using 4 strokes on inflatable boats
in this way? Are there any implcations to the angle you can carry/store
them?

Thanks in advance for your advice

Anthony Whittaker

and don't some of those 2 strokes have fuel-to-oil ratios approaching 100:1
?
Not a lot of pollution there.

"Drew Dalgleish" wrote in message
...
I love my 4 stroke yamaha for it's clean burning and fuel economy but
it weighs a lot more than my old mercury 2 stroke. I sure wouldn't
want to carry it down a beach. Don't some of the new 2 strokes use
direct injection for lower emissions?

Hi

I am a member of a Scuba diving club and we are investigating replacing
our outboard engines.

We currently have two Zodiac 5m inflatable boats (not RIBs) with 40HP 2
stroke Mariner outboards. These are reaching the end of their lives and
we are looking at replacing them.

With the new legislation coming in we are looking at 2 stroke vs 4
stroke. I am aware that few people use 4 strokes on inflatables and
fewer would manhandle them down beaches removing and replacing them
daily as we do.

Does anyone have any experience of using 4 strokes on inflatable boats
in this way? Are there any implcations to the angle you can carry/store
them?

Thanks in advance for your advice

Anthony Whittaker

Hello, I'm an outboard mechanic.there's very little difference between the weight of a 2 and 4 stroke motor. Yes, how you store the motor make's a difference.But you can always drain the oil for storage use. Plus, if the motor is relatively in good shape, it doesn't matter how you haul the motor.
Remember the difference it make's to the invironment.
Thank you
andre f.

Andre foster wrote:


Hello, I'm an outboard mechanic.there's very little difference
between the weight of a 2 and 4 stroke motor.

For engines of equal horsepower, I dissagree, unless there have been radical
re-designs in 2 cycle engines in the past few years.

Yes, how you store the
motor make's a difference.But you can always drain the oil for storage
use. Plus, if the motor is relatively in good shape, it doesn't matter
how you haul the motor.
Remember the difference it make's to the invironment.
Thank you
andre f.

--
Andre foster

Are you off your meds again :-)

Larry wrote:
"ajw" wrote in
ups.com:

Are there any implcations to the angle you can carry/store
them?


Yes. In any engine with loose lube oil inside it, you can only tilt,
carry and store it in certain locations. If, for instance, you were to
store it so the oil ran up against the bottom of the pistons, oil would
get past the rings into the top of the cylinders, after a time as they
are not hermetically sealed. It could become hydrolocked with lube oil,
which would bend the rods trying to get it past TDC on the compression
stroke with the valves closed. If the oil in the crankcase ran out the
crankcase vents in another position, what a mess. Cranking that would be
running the engine way low on lube oil, the oil that ran out now missing
from where it is needed.

The permissible carrying and storage positions designed into the portable
4-stroke outboards is defined in the owner's manual. Check that before
buying them. They are also much more complex and heavy than the
simplistic 2-strokers with no valve trains, camshafts, etc. a 4-stroker
must have. How far down the beach did you say you had to carry these
beasts? It's also an issue.

I tried to quote from Mercury or Evinrude from a downloaded owner's
manual, but both websites tried to force me to install Flash players so
they could run code on my computer to spy on me, which I will not permit,
and, once that was bypassed, informed me I had to already be an owner to
download an Evinrude owner's manual, making me question, "What are they
hiding?", as it costs them nothing to let me have a look, being a
potential customer.



Larry
--
Turkeys will be cheaper, Friday morning...(sigh)