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Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

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www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't
even list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to
run one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.


Sure, we are all that stupid.

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Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you
can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on
the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my
mother had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't
even list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to
run one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of
the sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate
(so impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e.
requires much less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse
power than my engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow
thruster)and be sure you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out
there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people
here what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can
do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.
Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.
Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.
[Bill]


I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.

Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.

Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.
[Bill]



I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.

I hope I don't sound like I'm bickering. I am treating this thread as a
interesting Rules of the Road discussion and a bit of a review. It's
not often that I get to hear the point of view of amateurs or
recreational boaters on RofR situations. It is causing me to refer to
my books and think. Sorry if you aren't enjoying the thread.

Gary

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Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.

Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are. [Bill]



I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.

I hope I don't sound like I'm bickering. I am treating this thread as a
interesting Rules of the Road discussion and a bit of a review. It's not
often that I get to hear the point of view of amateurs or recreational
boaters on RofR situations. It is causing me to refer to my books and
think. Sorry if you aren't enjoying the thread.

Gary

I think Brian is mostly referring to the bickering part - I apologize for my
part in it.

I think it's generally a worthwhile discussion of RofR situations. Sometimes
the situation is not straightforward of course, and it requires some quick
thinking. When I'm teaching, it's not atypical that we're in the midst of
significant traffic with a number of different types of vessels... anything
from tankers going in both directions, even three sometimes, to sailboats
and cabin cruiser types, to small dinghies and human power boats, and even
swimmers.

I'll typically ask my students, who has stand-on or give way status for a
particular boat, say port over starboard, then ask them about another boat
coming from a different direction, then about the ferry, then about the
kayaker, etc. It makes for an interesting sail if nothing else.


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

I think Brian is mostly referring to the bickering part - I
apologize for my
part in it.

I think it's generally a worthwhile discussion of RofR situations. Sometimes
the situation is not straightforward of course, and it requires some quick
thinking. When I'm teaching, it's not atypical that we're in the midst of
significant traffic with a number of different types of vessels... anything
from tankers going in both directions, even three sometimes, to sailboats
and cabin cruiser types, to small dinghies and human power boats, and even
swimmers.

I'll typically ask my students, who has stand-on or give way status for a
particular boat, say port over starboard, then ask them about another boat
coming from a different direction, then about the ferry, then about the
kayaker, etc. It makes for an interesting sail if nothing else.



When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you prioritize
them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a hard time explaining
to my watchkeepers that the closest is not always the most threatening
and that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.

"Gary" wrote in message
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I think Brian is mostly referring to the bickering part - I apologize
for my
part in it.

I think it's generally a worthwhile discussion of RofR situations.
Sometimes the situation is not straightforward of course, and it requires
some quick thinking. When I'm teaching, it's not atypical that we're in
the midst of significant traffic with a number of different types of
vessels... anything from tankers going in both directions, even three
sometimes, to sailboats and cabin cruiser types, to small dinghies and
human power boats, and even swimmers.

I'll typically ask my students, who has stand-on or give way status for a
particular boat, say port over starboard, then ask them about another
boat coming from a different direction, then about the ferry, then about
the kayaker, etc. It makes for an interesting sail if nothing else.



When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you prioritize
them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a hard time explaining
to my watchkeepers that the closest is not always the most threatening and
that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.

Not familiar with the term CPA. Since this is a teaching situation, I try
not to get them into a situation that is going to be overwhelming. We look
at potential collision courses of the targets first, then I have them sort
out plans of action. You're right of course. Many times, it's not the
closest that one needs to be mindful of.. we also try and make an assessment
about the level of knowledge on the other boat. Sometimes it's a shock when
they do or don't do the right thing. :-)