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polyester - epoxy bonding
I have a polyester/ glass laminated part (gelcoat on one side) and I
need to repair a hole in it. In the past, Ive sanded the glass/polyester, cleaned it up with acetone and then used west epoxy and "boat tape" glass. The polyester part is about 4 years old. This works reasonably well but the bond doesnt seem as good as the original polyster glass to glass laminations or if I were bonding epoxy to epoxy. Any suggestions on a really strong way to fix holes in polyester laminated structures or improvements on what Im already doing would be appreciated. Regards, wh |
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polyester - epoxy bonding
hypothecated on driving over rocks, you would do better to study the charts. Well, I did GET the hole by "driving" over a big rock land sailing... I was hoping the rock might take the damage next time. |
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polyester - epoxy bonding
When I patched a 3" thru hull hole on my 3/8" thick HR28 hull,
all polyester glass, I used a 'feathered' polyglass patch and could not see it after it was done. I cannot imagine the bond failing, I tried to dig at it with an awl, etc. There is no way I would not use epoxy to repair polyester, because from then on you would need to cover it with epoxy. It would complicate even bottom painting. Grind out all the epoxy, rough sand, clean with acetone and restore it to like new with like material. Don't think about it too much. Do it like the pros do. Feather the edges inside and out, and learn how to mix and glop polyglass. If you are worried to the point of doing engineering studies hypothecated on driving over rocks, you would do better to study the charts. Opinions, opinions, ever'body gots opinions. Terry K Walt wrote: I have a polyester/ glass laminated part (gelcoat on one side) and I need to repair a hole in it. In the past, Ive sanded the glass/polyester, cleaned it up with acetone and then used west epoxy and "boat tape" glass. The polyester part is about 4 years old. This works reasonably well but the bond doesnt seem as good as the original polyster glass to glass laminations or if I were bonding epoxy to epoxy. Any suggestions on a really strong way to fix holes in polyester laminated structures or improvements on what Im already doing would be appreciated. Regards, wh -- Terry K - My email address is MY PROPERTY, and is protected by copyright legislation. Permission to reproduce it is specifically denied for mass mailing and unrequested solicitations. Reproduction or conveyance for any unauthorised purpose is THEFT and PLAGIARISM. Abuse is Invasion of privacy and harassment. Abusers will be prosecuted. -This notice footer released to public domain. Spamspoof salad by spamchock - SofDevCo |
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Walt ) writes:
hypothecated on driving over rocks, you would do better to study the charts. Well, I did GET the hole by "driving" over a big rock land sailing... I was hoping the rock might take the damage next time. perhaps if you glass the rock the boat will slide over. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or its returned |
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Ron Thornton ) writes:
Best bond is with epoxy, rock or hull. not if "best" is "the lowest cost bond which satisfies the requirement". to prove the hypotheisis that epoxy is the best resin to glass a rock so a boat will glide over it you have to perfrom a controlled experiment with sufficient replications to be statistically significant. my money would be the polyester as the lowest cost bond which would meet the requirement. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or its returned |
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Ron Thornton ) writes:
William, What part of "best bond" didn't you understand or are you just trying to start an argument. its an old argument. "best" is not "best" when it costs more than needed to do the job. there are lots of ways of saying it, like using a cannon to kill a fly. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or its returned |
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polyester - epoxy bonding
William,
There is no argument in the context of this thread. Walt already has done the repair with epoxy so cost is not a consideration. He seemed to be asking if polyester would be better. I say no way. Epoxy is best because its bonding abilities are well documented compared to polyester. To prove that polyester is good enough for coating a rock (or any one time repair) requires a guess or some testing. Neither approach is worth the risk of using an inferior materal because of the cost difference between E and P for the normal repair jobs we discuss here. Ron |
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"best" is not "best" when it costs more than needed
to do the job Yea, that was my protocol in early years of boat ownership. Now, if the materials cost isn't significant compared to the labor and hassle effort, I always buy the "best" stuff at whatever I'm trying to do, which would be bond strength if fixing hull holes. Also go for user-friendly; epoxy doesn't give off fumes when polimerizing. Now, if i needed a hundred gallons of resin for a job, I'd look close at whether polyester resin would suffice. |
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