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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:56:48 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: I agree with much of this, except that I do believe a lot of this could have been prevented or mitigated by regulations that were either abandoned or ignored. Yet you've repeatedly failed to corroborate that belief with specifics, choosing instead to fling about without amplification some ill-informed general references repeal of a 1930s statute that no knowledgeable observer would suggest had any impact on the current crisis. Squirm all you want, but the fact remains that McCain was responsible for much of the deregulation that lead directly to the financial meltdown we're experiencing. McCain, by his own words, supported Bush 90% of the time. Bush was a disaster on so many levels that even if McCain was 5% complicit, he should resign from the Presidential race and the Senate immediately. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:50:16 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: McCain was responsible for much of the deregulation that lead directly to the financial meltdown we're experiencing. And of course you again fail to identify any such deregulation. Where's the beef, Jon? Do your own research! He claims he was anti-regulation and I take him at his word. Don't you? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:34:47 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: And of course you again fail to identify any such deregulation. Where's the beef, Jon? Do your own research! No need to, Jon. I'm quite familiar with bank regulation. Deal with it daily. That's why I asked the question--to demonstrate that you haven't a clue about financial regulation or deregulation. So, you're now claiming that removing legislation that's been around for decades didn't significantly contribute to the melt-down. Talk about fantasy land! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:38:17 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: No need to, Jon. I'm quite familiar with bank regulation. Deal with it daily. That's why I asked the question--to demonstrate that you haven't a clue about financial regulation or deregulation. So, you're now claiming that removing legislation that's been around for decades didn't significantly contribute to the melt-down. Talk about fantasy land! I'm not simply claiming it--it's true. I've explained elsewhere why that's the case. And despite my repeated requests you have come forward with no explanation whatever of any reason why the Glass-Steagall's replacement by Gramm-Leach_Bliley's holding company provisions had any impact on the mortgage crisis. There's a whole universe of liberal blogs out there making that claim, and not a one that I've seen has come up with even a semi-credible basis for it. They simply chant "deregulation" over and over like some magic incantation, apparently relying on the principle that if you repeat a lie often enough and loud enough people will eventually believe it. Yep, it's fantasy time for you. You need to stop listing to the right-wingnut financiers. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:04:52 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: I'm not simply claiming it--it's true. I've explained elsewhere why that's the case. And despite my repeated requests you have come forward with no explanation whatever of any reason why the Glass-Steagall's replacement by Gramm-Leach_Bliley's holding company provisions had any impact on the mortgage crisis. There's a whole universe of liberal blogs out there making that claim, and not a one that I've seen has come up with even a semi-credible basis for it. They simply chant "deregulation" over and over like some magic incantation, apparently relying on the principle that if you repeat a lie often enough and loud enough people will eventually believe it. Yep, it's fantasy time for you. You need to stop listing to the right-wingnut financiers. Hey, Jon, I'm listening for you to supply that explanation. So far all I'm getting is deafening silence. "Few pin all the blame for the current crisis on the repeal of Glass-Steagall or expect its wall of separation to return. Steven Kyle, associate professor of economics at Cornell University, says re-imposing that wall with the "sledgehammer or meat-axe approach of the 30s" would not be advisable, but for Congress to have "cut that wall and replaced it with nothing was a bad idea." "There's no question in my mind that there was inadequate regulation which led to this mess," says Kyle. "If you look at financial history, certainly the private market does self-regulate, but with periodic crashes, and we don't like that." -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:16:06 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Hey, Jon, I'm listening for you to supply that explanation. So far all I'm getting is deafening silence. "Few pin all the blame for the current crisis on the repeal of Glass-Steagall or expect its wall of separation to return. Steven Kyle, associate professor of economics at Cornell University, says re-imposing that wall with the "sledgehammer or meat-axe approach of the 30s" would not be advisable, but for Congress to have "cut that wall and replaced it with nothing was a bad idea." "There's no question in my mind that there was inadequate regulation which led to this mess," says Kyle. "If you look at financial history, certainly the private market does self-regulate, but with periodic crashes, and we don't like that." Looks to me like you've just proved my point far better than I could,Jon Even your academic "source" doesn't claim that the repeal of Glass Steagall had anything to do with the mortgage melt-down. His first sentence is most enlightening, since it confirms what I've been saying all along. And like you he simply says it's "inadequate regulation" that caused the problem, apparently expecting people to believe him without the need to get into messy specifics like identifying what "inadequate regulation" he has in mind, and how the alleged inadequacy is the result of specific changes. I'd be happy to discuss the impact of other changed regulations on the mortgage problem if you'd just tell us what changes you have in mind. I think your "expert" pretty much drove the last nail in the coffin of your Glass Steagall claims. I never claimed that Glass Steagall was the sole cause and you know it. Lying isn't helping your cause. I claimed and I and others with greater expertise than I claim that deregulation has significantly contributed to the debacle. If you choose not to believe it, fine with me, but don't distort my views toward your silly point of view. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:19:37 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Dave" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:16:06 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Hey, Jon, I'm listening for you to supply that explanation. So far all I'm getting is deafening silence. "Few pin all the blame for the current crisis on the repeal of Glass-Steagall or expect its wall of separation to return. Steven Kyle, associate professor of economics at Cornell University, says re-imposing that wall with the "sledgehammer or meat-axe approach of the 30s" would not be advisable, but for Congress to have "cut that wall and replaced it with nothing was a bad idea." "There's no question in my mind that there was inadequate regulation which led to this mess," says Kyle. "If you look at financial history, certainly the private market does self-regulate, but with periodic crashes, and we don't like that." Looks to me like you've just proved my point far better than I could,Jon Even your academic "source" doesn't claim that the repeal of Glass Steagall had anything to do with the mortgage melt-down. His first sentence is most enlightening, since it confirms what I've been saying all along. And like you he simply says it's "inadequate regulation" that caused the problem, apparently expecting people to believe him without the need to get into messy specifics like identifying what "inadequate regulation" he has in mind, and how the alleged inadequacy is the result of specific changes. I'd be happy to discuss the impact of other changed regulations on the mortgage problem if you'd just tell us what changes you have in mind. I think your "expert" pretty much drove the last nail in the coffin of your Glass Steagall claims. I never claimed that Glass Steagall was the sole cause and you know it. Lying isn't helping your cause. I claimed and I and others with greater expertise than I claim that deregulation has significantly contributed to the debacle. If you choose not to believe it, fine with me, but don't distort my views toward your silly point of view. Dave also keeps changing what he calls the "crisis". Now it's the "Mortgage Crisis", as if the only problem with the economy right now is due to mortgages and nothing else matters. |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:19:37 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: I never claimed that Glass Steagall was the sole cause and you know it. Nor did I say you did. However, you did say: So, you're now claiming that removing legislation that's been around for decades didn't significantly contribute to the melt-down. Talk about fantasy land! So let me give you another shot at it. What "legislation that's been around for decades" were you referring to, and how did that legislation's being in your words "removed" contribute to the mortgage melt-down? Asked and answered. Also, I'll repeat... do your own research! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:49:06 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: So let me give you another shot at it. What "legislation that's been around for decades" were you referring to, and how did that legislation's being in your words "removed" contribute to the mortgage melt-down? Asked and answered. Please direct me to the message in which you claim the question was answered. Also, I'll repeat... do your own research! As I've previously pointed out, Jon, I have no need to research the question. I know you're full of **** because I'm very familiar with bank regulation. Sorry, I don't have it in my list. Here are some suggestions for a quick read. http://www.aei.org/books/bookID.272,...ook_detail.asp http://www.emeraldinsight.com/Insigh...110150207.html http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs....014/FEATURES05 Even Greenspan took some responsibility recently. Oh, and I shouldn't have claimed you lied... mislead, fibbed, but lie was too strong. I apologize. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Dave wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:49:06 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: So let me give you another shot at it. What "legislation that's been around for decades" were you referring to, and how did that legislation's being in your words "removed" contribute to the mortgage melt-down? Asked and answered. Please direct me to the message in which you claim the question was answered. Also, I'll repeat... do your own research! As I've previously pointed out, Jon, I have no need to research the question. I know you're full of **** because I'm very familiar with bank regulation. As an interesting aside, recently the Canadian banking system was rated as the soundest in the world, the primary reason given: Canadian banks face the strictest regulations in the world.. Food for thought. Cheers Martin |
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