On Oct 15, 11:16*am, Bart wrote:
What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you
have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt

DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE,
DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY?

http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7

This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone
carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between
Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same
time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open
waters.

I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK,
and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision
avoidance flares.

How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a
comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment
to have handy.

On Oct 17, 9:43*am, Bart wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:16*am, Bart wrote:

What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you
have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt

DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE,
DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY?

http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7

This is the reason I started this thread. *I was curious if anyone
carried one of these in a handy location.

Yep, I forgot to mention that I have a bunch of white flare rounds for
the flare gun on the tugboat. The flare kit is one of the larger round
OLIN cannisters with the "ready" flares, and then a back-up kit of
expired flares in a security briefcase under the pilothouse seat.
Actually, in an emergency, my plan is to use the expired "back-up"
flares first.



How often do you need them? *Perhaps never, but it is a
comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment
to have handy.

Never needed one, but if I did it would be darn nice to have it!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Not on the bay... a couple of reasons... first, you'd probably get arrested
until they sorted out what happened... second, if there's fog in the slot,
then there's probably a big ship there also.

"Bart" wrote in message
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On Oct 15, 11:16 am, Bart wrote:
What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you
have below just inside the companionway? 1 pt

DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE,
DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY?

http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7

This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone
carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between
Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same
time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open
waters.

I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK,
and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision
avoidance flares.

How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a
comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment
to have handy.



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www.sailnow.com

"Bart" wrote in message
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DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE,
DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY?

http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7

This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone
carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between
Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same
time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open
waters.

I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK,
and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision
avoidance flares.

How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a
comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment
to have handy.

When I was sailing out of UK I always carried about 3 whites in my flare kit
since I often crossed the main shipping lanes in the English channel on the
way to France, sometimes at night..
At night especially this is something to be taken seriously and although my
primary objective has obviously been to keep well clear of everything I
have used white flares on several occasions just to increase the chances
that some of them were aware that I was there.
Container ships can be coming at over 20 knots and sometimes one can see 6
ships coming down the lane at the same time while you are trying to sail
straight across.. The lanes are 2 miles wide so the ships are not all dead
in line astern.
It is not easy at night to be totally sure that avoiding one does not put
you in the path of another and I once used two flares in 30 minutes.
Cannot imagine sailing anywhere at night without them.

On 17 Oct, 19:08, "Edgar" wrote:
"Bart" wrote in message

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DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE,
DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY?

http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7

This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone
carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between
Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same
time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open
waters.

I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK,
and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision
avoidance flares.

How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a
comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment
to have handy.

When I was sailing out of UK I always carried about 3 whites in my flare kit
since I often crossed the main shipping lanes in the English channel on the
way to France, sometimes at night..
At night especially this is something to be taken seriously and although my
primary objective has obviously been to keep well clear of everything I
have used white flares on several occasions just to increase the chances
that some of them were aware that I was there.
Container ships can be coming at over 20 knots and sometimes one can see 6
ships coming down the lane at the same time while you are trying to sail
straight across.. The lanes are 2 miles wide so the ships are not all dead
in line astern.
It is not easy at night to be totally sure that avoiding one does not put
you in the path of another and I once used two flares in 30 minutes.
Cannot imagine sailing anywhere at night without them.

Hmmmmn...... this is very interesting.

I hit the westbound lane a few years ago when they were three deep.
I accepted the advice from a very expereinced crewman. He said that
we were definitely ahead of a ship that I was worried about.

I will never, *ever* take advice from anybody again when I am skipper
on a boat. We were fortunate that the ship was keeping a lookout.
It changed course when it was only 500 yards from us.


Regards


Donal
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On 17 Oct, 19:08, "Edgar" wrote:
"Bart" wrote in message

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DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE,
DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY?

http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7

This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone
carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between
Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same
time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open
waters.

I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK,
and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision
avoidance flares.

How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a
comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment
to have handy.

When I was sailing out of UK I always carried about 3 whites in my flare
kit
since I often crossed the main shipping lanes in the English channel on
the
way to France, sometimes at night..
At night especially this is something to be taken seriously and although
my
primary objective has obviously been to keep well clear of everything I
have used white flares on several occasions just to increase the chances
that some of them were aware that I was there.
Container ships can be coming at over 20 knots and sometimes one can see
6
ships coming down the lane at the same time while you are trying to sail
straight across.. The lanes are 2 miles wide so the ships are not all
dead
in line astern.
It is not easy at night to be totally sure that avoiding one does not put
you in the path of another and I once used two flares in 30 minutes.
Cannot imagine sailing anywhere at night without them.

Hmmmmn...... this is very interesting.

I hit the westbound lane a few years ago when they were three deep.
I accepted the advice from a very expereinced crewman. He said that
we were definitely ahead of a ship that I was worried about.

I will never, *ever* take advice from anybody again when I am skipper
on a boat. We were fortunate that the ship was keeping a lookout.
It changed course when it was only 500 yards from us.



It's a good practice not to do that. I've, on several occasions, ignored
supposedly seasoned sailors' advice about which way to go to avoid shipping
traffic in the bay. Once, I had someone actually start to change course and
had to remove them from the helm. Another time, I was on a boat where the
skipper was being totally stupid about it, so my friend and I just took
over, avoided the traffic, and got back to sailing. Didn't hear any
complaints, as he just sort of sat there, unsure of what exactly just
happened.

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www.sailnow.com

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT), Bart
wrote:

On Oct 15, 11:16*am, Bart wrote:
What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you
have below just inside the companionway? *1 pt

DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE,
DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY?

http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7

This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone
carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between
Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same
time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open
waters.

I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK,
and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision
avoidance flares.

How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a
comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment
to have handy.

That article indicates that it is just an idea, and no one
manufactures such a device. The article also raises the point that
this flare might be confusing to others, who haven't read the same
article. It's not an "accepted" and widely known form of collision
avoidance.

yes it's an attention getter, but so is a carbide cannon.

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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT), Bart
wrote:

On Oct 15, 11:16 am, Bart wrote:
What boat safety gear (not personal gear) should you
have below just inside the companionway? 1 pt

DOES ANYONE HERE KEEP A COLLISION AVOIDANCE FLARE,
DRY AND HANDY, JUST INSIDE THE COMPANIONWAY?

http://www.pangolin.co.nz/jetsam/view_article.php?idx=7

This is the reason I started this thread. I was curious if anyone
carried one of these in a handy location. On my last trip between
Gibraltar and Malta, I once counted six ships visible at the same
time. I've never seen so much shipping traffic on open
waters.

I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK,
and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision
avoidance flares.

How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a
comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment
to have handy.

That article indicates that it is just an idea, and no one
manufactures such a device. The article also raises the point that
this flare might be confusing to others, who haven't read the same
article. It's not an "accepted" and widely known form of collision
avoidance.

yes it's an attention getter, but so is a carbide cannon.


Collision avoidance flares are used on some types of aircraft.

n Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:00:35 -0600, "Charles Momsen"
wrote this crap:


avoidance.

yes it's an attention getter, but so is a carbide cannon.


Collision avoidance flares are used on some types of aircraft.


Yeah. I shoot them out the window all the time.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

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I also noticed each of the two yachts I sailed, based in the UK,
and used for commercial training, were fitted with collision
avoidance flares.

How often do you need them? Perhaps never, but it is a
comforting thing to have and a worthwhile piece of equipment
to have handy.

That article indicates that it is just an idea, and no one
manufactures such a device. The article also raises the point that
this flare might be confusing to others, who haven't read the same
article. It's not an "accepted" and widely known form of collision
avoidance.

A 'collision avoidance flare' is not some hi-tech gismo-it is simply a white
hand-held flare which carries no indication that one needs help but is just
a way of making sure you are seen.
If you sail at night you should always have some aboard. You will find that
it is universally used and accepted as a way of making your presence known.
However the term 'collision avoidance flare' is wrong and misleading and is
not mentioned in the colregs because the specific measures you need to take
to avoid collisions are unaffected by the use of such flares.