A thermos flask is very handy but it does not take the place of a
stove on a small cruising vessel.



"Capt. JG" wrote:
A daysailor needs a stove?


Some do.

If it's a "daysailor" that is likely to be sailed for long hours, in
chilly weather, and/or for more hours and/or with more crew than a
Thermos is likely to take care of.

Please note I said "small cruising vessel."

One factor to bear in mind is that you can warm up the cabin/cuddy
with a small stove, and warm up your hands with it... not something
you can do with a Thermos.... especially an empty one....

DSK

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A thermos flask is very handy but it does not take the place of a
stove on a small cruising vessel.



"Capt. JG" wrote:
A daysailor needs a stove?


Some do.

If it's a "daysailor" that is likely to be sailed for long hours, in
chilly weather, and/or for more hours and/or with more crew than a
Thermos is likely to take care of.

Please note I said "small cruising vessel."

One factor to bear in mind is that you can warm up the cabin/cuddy
with a small stove, and warm up your hands with it... not something
you can do with a Thermos.... especially an empty one....

DSK



All true, but I'm not a big fan of open flames on a small, tippy boat. You
can use reusable hand-warmers and layers to stay warm. You can have multiple
thermos. You can have energy bars. My last choice would be something I can
knock over that's on fire. :-) The jetboil doesn't look very stable....


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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:42:56 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap:

All true, but I'm not a big fan of open flames on a small, tippy boat. You
can use reusable hand-warmers and layers to stay warm. You can have multiple
thermos. You can have energy bars. My last choice would be something I can
knock over that's on fire. :-) The jetboil doesn't look very stable....


Wuss. A real man would start a fire in hell.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

"Capt. JG" wrote:
All true, but I'm not a big fan of open flames on a small, tippy boat.

Wimp.
What about open flames on a BIG tippy boat?

.... You
can use reusable hand-warmers and layers to stay warm.

And if you're still freakin' cold?

Besides, those hand-warmers don't work.

You can have multiple
thermos.

You can, as long as you remember what's in each one. And they still
cool off in a few hours or run out. Not a replacement for a proper
stove.

You can have energy bars.

Those things are fattening.

My last choice would be something I can
knock over that's on fire. :-)

Mine too. That's why I said "a small cruising boat should have a
proper stove."

I have cruised with a fixed wick-type alcohol stove, and a swing-mount
camp style stove. Both can be good and can't be replaced *for
cruising* ....or unintentionally extended daysails in poor conditions
IMHO... by power bars, skier's hand-warmers, or a thermos. Although
any of the latter would be better than nothing.

DSK

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"Capt. JG" wrote:
All true, but I'm not a big fan of open flames on a small, tippy boat.

Wimp.
What about open flames on a BIG tippy boat?

Heh... I have yet to fire up my Origo
..

.... You
can use reusable hand-warmers and layers to stay warm.

And if you're still freakin' cold?

Besides, those hand-warmers don't work.

I have some that work fine... I forget the brand.. you bend a small piece of
metal in a liquid gel, and they get hot. You boil them to reset them.


You can have multiple
thermos.

You can, as long as you remember what's in each one. And they still
cool off in a few hours or run out. Not a replacement for a proper
stove.

We're talkin labelling...

You can have energy bars.

Those things are fattening.

Fat is good when you're trying to stay warm!

My last choice would be something I can
knock over that's on fire. :-)

Mine too. That's why I said "a small cruising boat should have a
proper stove."

I have cruised with a fixed wick-type alcohol stove, and a swing-mount
camp style stove. Both can be good and can't be replaced *for
cruising* ....or unintentionally extended daysails in poor conditions
IMHO... by power bars, skier's hand-warmers, or a thermos. Although
any of the latter would be better than nothing.

DSK




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Besides, those hand-warmers don't work.



I have some that work fine... I forget the brand.. you bend a small piece of
metal in a liquid gel, and they get hot. You boil them to reset them.


The ones I know about either burn the crap out of you for 2 minutes
and then get cold, or they only get luke warm in the first place.

How long do these ones stay warm, and if it's more than an hour, tell
me the name please.



You can have energy bars.

Those things are fattening.

Fat is good when you're trying to stay warm!


True
But you have to start getting stoked up well ahead of time.... like at
least a few months....

DSK

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:52:22 -0700, wrote:

Besides, those hand-warmers don't work.



I have some that work fine... I forget the brand.. you bend a small piece of
metal in a liquid gel, and they get hot. You boil them to reset them.


The ones I know about either burn the crap out of you for 2 minutes
and then get cold, or they only get luke warm in the first place.

http://www.amazon.com/Large-Platinum.../dp/B000CGG5EC

Zippo handwarmers were common years ago, and I had one. They came in
and were kept in a felt pouch, because the metal was a bit too hot.
If I spent enough time outdoors, and my hands got cold, it's what I
would use.
When your hands get cold it usually indicates a core temp or
circulation problem. When I worked outdoors, dressing correctly kept
my hands warm. The handwarmer turned out to be a novelty, and I
only used it a couple times.

--Vic

wrote in message
oups.com...
Besides, those hand-warmers don't work.



I have some that work fine... I forget the brand.. you bend a small piece
of
metal in a liquid gel, and they get hot. You boil them to reset them.


The ones I know about either burn the crap out of you for 2 minutes
and then get cold, or they only get luke warm in the first place.

How long do these ones stay warm, and if it's more than an hour, tell
me the name please.



You can have energy bars.

Those things are fattening.

Fat is good when you're trying to stay warm!


True
But you have to start getting stoked up well ahead of time.... like at
least a few months....

DSK



I can't recall the name of them... I think they're called Heat Bags. They
use sodium acetate I believe. Here's reference.

http://ask.metafilter.com/29546/Heat...w-does-it-work

Next time I get down to the boat, I'll write down the name.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

wrote in message
oups.com...
Besides, those hand-warmers don't work.



I have some that work fine... I forget the brand.. you bend a small piece
of
metal in a liquid gel, and they get hot. You boil them to reset them.


The ones I know about either burn the crap out of you for 2 minutes
and then get cold, or they only get luke warm in the first place.

How long do these ones stay warm, and if it's more than an hour, tell
me the name please.



You can have energy bars.

Those things are fattening.

Fat is good when you're trying to stay warm!


True
But you have to start getting stoked up well ahead of time.... like at
least a few months....

DSK



Ah... here they are... Amazon and REI

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cus...ustomerReviews

http://www.rei.com/product/608751

They last a bit under an hour...


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Sep 23, 9:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
wrote in message

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A thermos flask is very handy but it does not take the place of a
stove on a small cruising vessel.

"Capt. JG" wrote:
A daysailor needs a stove?

Some do.

If it's a "daysailor" that is likely to be sailed for long hours, in
chilly weather, and/or for more hours and/or with more crew than a
Thermos is likely to take care of.

Please note I said "small cruising vessel."

One factor to bear in mind is that you can warm up the cabin/cuddy
with a small stove, and warm up your hands with it... not something
you can do with a Thermos.... especially an empty one....

DSK

All true, but I'm not a big fan of open flames on a small, tippy boat. You
can use reusable hand-warmers and layers to stay warm. You can have multiple
thermos. You can have energy bars. My last choice would be something I can
knock over that's on fire. :-) The jetboil doesn't look very stable....

--
"j" ganz

Good point Jon. I've been using protein bars all
year and run out of my favorite kind. They work
great, and store well. No need for a stove at all.