wrote:
....
First you say 10,000 pounds of coffee. When I point out that your named
supplier, who can at most provide 90 pounds per hour, can't possibly provide
that amount without it being quite stale, (by the time they roast 10,000 pounds,
the first part of production will already be past the "sell by" date without the
shipping delay even factored in) you change your story and say you will be
bringing a load of more than one item. Now you are back to claiming a shipment
of 10,000 pounds of coffee. Oh, yeah, your supplier already sells his finished
product in the USA on the internet with $4.98 shipping on any sized order.Maybe
you should order 10,000 pounds with $4.98 shipping! Did you do ANY actual
research? Really doesn't sound like it.

At $12 a pound the $4 shipping on any quantity is reasonable. His cost
for the beans is $1-2 (or less). He'd be happy to ship a container up
for a $100k profit!

There are mixed opinions on the efficacy of the foil valve bags.
Experts on the consumer side will say 3 weeks is the "use by" time,
while the top suppliers will say 3 months. Personally I normally roast
my own and consume it within one to three weeks, but when I do buy
"pre-roasted" I wouldn't touch anything more than a month old.
Starbucks of course sells their swill 6 months stale.

The real question I have is what's the SCAA rating of the cup? To rank
in the "best I've ever had" category it would have to be 90 or higher.

On Sep 20, 5:07 pm, wrote:


First you say 10,000 pounds of coffee. When I point out that your named
supplier, who can at most provide 90 pounds per hour, can't possibly provide
that amount without it being quite stale,

You think coffee in degassing bags become stale in 3 weeks?. I think
you are about 3 mo off... but thats my opinion. Many of the store
bought "fresh coffee" is 100X's that old.

(by the time they roast 10,000 pounds,
the first part of production will already be past the "sell by" date without the
shipping delay even factored in) you change your story and say you will be
bringing a load of more than one item.

Please quote me saying a load of "one item". The cargo will all be
coffee, not all roasted, not all green.

Now you are back to claiming a shipment
of 10,000 pounds of coffee. Oh, yeah, your supplier already sells his finished
product in the USA on the internet with $4.98 shipping on any sized order.

What no link?

Maybe
you should order 10,000 pounds with $4.98 shipping! Did you do ANY actual
research? Really doesn't sound like it.

Whatever sock puppet. Since the USPS charges more than 10 bucks a
pound to mainland Belize, and over 30 dollars a pound priorty mail he
must have one hell of a mark-up huh?

http://ircalc.usps.gov/default.aspx?...ngle&CID=10034


Good luck, anyway.-

Thanks Sock Puppet... but I prefer to rely on planning and hard work.

Joe

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That sockpuppet is your good friend Ekal Bnek.

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On Sep 20, 1:10 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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Greetings fellow Sailors,

Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about
sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here
first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co.

The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She
will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first
load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time
to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago
Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip)
in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing
vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about
coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC
Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via
sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail.

After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela,
Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys
products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best
tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has
perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will
knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this
year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island
can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only
importer to the USA of Belize coffee.

RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and
grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC.

We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for
sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will
be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic
concise and aware world.

Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic
products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our
customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation.

Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all
thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice.

Any questions?

Captain Joe
RedCloud

I wish you the best of luck, but if I were a betting man it would be
against
you. Just make sure you don't wind up losing RedCloud when the wheels
come
off the venture.

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Nothing is a sure thing Lloyd. We have started several ventures that
did not pay out, had a bank repo my Shrimp boat ect..ect. And in the
process I hoped I learned enough to make this work.

One thing I have learned is if you do not step up to the plate and
swing, you're never going to score. RedCloud is fit for the duty, so I
doubt I'll loose her. And I'd never bet her on anything. If the wheels
come off the venture I always have my deep fryer career at the Burger
Barn.

We realize we are way ahead of the curve on this one, but that's what
we are counting on. Many people are looking for new eco-friendly ways
of doing things and eco-friendly products to support. Coffee is the
perfect cargo to switch to sail transport, and since it's the second
largest in volume item traded on earth we think that long term.... if
our model works...could make a major impact in the shipping and coffee
industry.

We realize also that 10,000 lbs of coffee is barely a drop in the
pot.. but you have to start somewhere.

Joe




I hope you find a successful niche and I admire your courage to try.

Why not export something valuable when you go so the trip has a chance of
being profitable in both directions?

There is a reason that coffee was last hauled on a sailing ship almost 100
years ago.

On Sep 20, 8:10 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:13:16 -0700, Joe wrote:

On Sep 20, 5:07 pm, wrote:

First you say 10,000 pounds of coffee. When I point out that your named
supplier, who can at most provide 90 pounds per hour, can't possibly provide
that amount without it being quite stale,

You think coffee in degassing bags become stale in 3 weeks?. I think
you are about 3 mo off... but thats my opinion. Many of the store
bought "fresh coffee" is 100X's that old.

Coffee that's 300 months old? WOW! Ever hear of something called MATH? You may
need to know a little about it if you want to run a business.

Are you a teacher?

Joe

On Sep 20, 8:29 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Sep 20, 1:10 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

roups.com...

Greetings fellow Sailors,

Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about
sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here
first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co.

The Sailing Vessel RedCloud has been converted to carry cargo. She
will be departing Houston mid to late November to pick up her first
load of coffee cargo in Ambergris Caye Belize. With a return in time
to sell all the cargo on e-bay just before Christmas. The ELLago
Coffee Import Company will be importing coffee (10,000 LBS per trip)
in an eco-friendly sustainable way to the USA aboard the sailing
vessel RedCloud. This will be, according to William Ukers all about
coffee, the first time since the Braque Padang arrived in NYC
Christmas day 1914 that coffee has been imported to the USA via
sailing vessel. It's the dawn of the new age of sail.

After sampeling many many coffee's from Jamica, Brazil, Guatamela,
Costa Rica, Mexico we selected the Ambergris Caye coffee companys
products to import for several reasons, the main reason it's the best
tasting coffee you every tasted. Mr. Clause (A Canadian) has
perfected to a fine art, several different roast combos that will
knock your socks off. Ambergris Caye's tourist season was crushed this
year due to the two hurricanes that have hit the region and the island
can use any extra income. The ElLago Coffee co. will be the only
importer to the USA of Belize coffee.

RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and
grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC.

We will show the world through the ElLago Coffee Co. a model for
sustainability and profit using 100% renewable energy. Our coffee will
be the cleanest and GREENEST products in today's Green, Organic
concise and aware world.

Our mission will be to deliver high quality, high demand, organic
products shipped in a manner that fosters Brand loyalty from our
customers, and promotes environmental awareness and preservation.

Again thank you all for your support over the years here..most of all
thank you Ol Thom for your rigging, sailing trim tips, and advice.

Any questions?

Captain Joe
RedCloud

I wish you the best of luck, but if I were a betting man it would be
against
you. Just make sure you don't wind up losing RedCloud when the wheels
come
off the venture.

Lloyd- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing is a sure thing Lloyd. We have started several ventures that
did not pay out, had a bank repo my Shrimp boat ect..ect. And in the
process I hoped I learned enough to make this work.

One thing I have learned is if you do not step up to the plate and
swing, you're never going to score. RedCloud is fit for the duty, so I
doubt I'll loose her. And I'd never bet her on anything. If the wheels
come off the venture I always have my deep fryer career at the Burger
Barn.

We realize we are way ahead of the curve on this one, but that's what
we are counting on. Many people are looking for new eco-friendly ways
of doing things and eco-friendly products to support. Coffee is the
perfect cargo to switch to sail transport, and since it's the second
largest in volume item traded on earth we think that long term.... if
our model works...could make a major impact in the shipping and coffee
industry.

We realize also that 10,000 lbs of coffee is barely a drop in the
pot.. but you have to start somewhere.

Joe

I hope you find a successful niche and I admire your courage to try.

It was either this or a new home stereo and a Subaru..


Why not export something valuable when you go so the trip has a chance of
being profitable in both directions?

We have asked our supplier in Ambergris Caye to scout out just that.
Also seeing if they need any hurricane relief type supplies on the
Caye. The whole caye was out of creamer until today!

There is a reason that coffee was last hauled on a sailing ship almost 100
years ago.

Yes because it was cheaper. faster, but that was in the days before
degassing bags, and 80 dollar a drum crude oil. What happens when oil
hits 300 a drum?

Why not shift to sail? If we can make a profit others will surely
follow. Whats wrong with real sailors sailing the seven sea again with
cargo? If you could pay the same price for a quality coffee like you
get at starbucks, would you not prefer to pay it to a sailor rather
than a huge corporation shipping via huge container ships that burn
huge amounts of fuel and provide little employment for sailors?

Joe




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On Sep 20, 7:09 pm, jeff wrote:


At $12 a pound the $4 shipping on any quantity is reasonable. His cost
for the beans is $1-2 (or less). He'd be happy to ship a container up
for a $100k profit!


The guy in NY was buying a few hundred pounds every so often and re-
selling it here. He's no longer selling Caye Coffee, the link BB found
was suppose to be a dead link.


There are mixed opinions on the efficacy of the foil valve bags.
Experts on the consumer side will say 3 weeks is the "use by" time,
while the top suppliers will say 3 months. Personally I normally roast
my own and consume it within one to three weeks, but when I do buy
"pre-roasted" I wouldn't touch anything more than a month old.
Starbucks of course sells their swill 6 months stale.

The real question I have is what's the SCAA rating of the cup? To rank
in the "best I've ever had" category it would have to be 90 or higher.

You will have to try it Jeff...I swear..it's geat...just went through
some excellent Kona and this is just as good if not better IMO.

Joe

On Sep 20, 4:49 pm, wrote:
Joe wrote:
Greetings fellow Sailors,

Since many of you have helped me over the years learn mucho about
sailing, I figured it's proper for me to announce to the world here
first.. about the new ElLago Coffee Co.

I wish you good luck on the voyage and success with the business.



Thanks Doug

RedClouds generator and main engine now burn a local produced and
grown Bio-fuel. Soybeans and mustard seeds IIRC.

I'll be very interested to know what difference you notice between bio-
diesel and the stuff from percolated dinosaurs, especially after a
couple hundred running hours. Did you change anything on the engines
to burn the stuff?

Nothing..I had modern synthetic fuel lines ..
I'll let you know.

Joe

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

Container ships are the most efficient way to haul cargo (per pound) on the
planet.That's just based on fuel cost. Throw in the time factor -
scheduling, spoilage etc and the container ship is #1 by far. Containerships
don't burn that much fuel.

A rotorship is a much more efficient use of wind power for ships. No sails
needed, small number of crew necessary.

http://www.efluids.com/efluids/galle...rship_page.htm

Maybe you can convert RedCloud to a rotor.

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
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That sockpuppet is your good friend Ekal Bnek.

Ken Blake? Shirley you jest!